I don't follow your logic. The rugby team has been called Ireland since the 19th century, but the 26-county state took that name only in 1937.Originally Posted by sligoman
The IFA called their international team "Ireland" right up until the 1970s (saw some old footbage of Best in December - Ireland v Scotland from Windsor Park), but you wouldn't have accepted it as your team just because one side 'claimed' the whole island.
By your logic we should then drop the tricolour for football.
Northern Ireland used the term Ireland and picked players from all over the island until the F.A.I. took them to FIFA. Have a read of Peter Byrne's excellent history of the F.A.I.
Not quite
The Belfast Agreement in 1988 put it into limbo.
"The Union Flag is no longer flown over Parliament Buildings and state offices except on a limited number of 'named days' (honouring, for example Queen Elizabeth II's official birthday). One exception is Lisburn
Are you talking about a Unionist flag or a NI flag?This still doesn't resolve the issue of flag non-representation for NI Unionists. The fact remains that they NEVER get to see their national flag flown at games
Are you inclusive or exclusive?
"Under the 1998 Belfast Agreement, states that:
All participants acknowledge the sensitivity of the use of symbols and emblems for public purposes, and the need in particular in creating the new institutions to ensure that such symbols and emblems are used in a manner which promotes mutual respect rather than division".
Ulster rugby followers have reclaimed the red hand symbol. Its an old symbol. It certainly raises eyebrows with the red Ulster shirt and the symbol. For the most part Ulster rugby followers are persisting with this. The attitude is, its inclusive of all cultures background political, nat and unionist. to reclaim the symbol from the moronic elements. Besides that, My opinion is is that this is probably an obvious choice for an official Ulster flag. The red hand also the symbol of Tyrone GAA.
Thats the spirit!I can't wait for the final 6 Nations game tomorrow (or later today, even). I have a feeling we can do well, but I also think its a very bad thing to ever expect to do well against England, at Twickenham!
Either TBH. Although I live in Cork, I'm still a northern Nationalist. I'm quite happy to let the symbols of the Republic represent my point of view, however I realise that 'other people' in NI (read: Unionists) don't share this view. For them, the symbols of the Republic absolutely do not represent them, and this is the specific issue that needs to be addressed.
Most definately inclusive. However, if we are to be inclusive, we need to ask 'how'. Clearly the Union Jack or NI (1921-1972) flag are not going to be flown over Lansdowne Rd (let alone Croke Park!), so we need to come up with an alternative. This could be one of two things, either an agrred all-Ireland flag, or an agreed NI flag, I don't mind which. If it is the former, it would be instead of the tricolour, and if the latter along with the tricolour. The first one is favourable IMO - see, for instance the flag on the official 6 Nations website.
If NI flag is good enough to represent NI in football and Commonwealth games, surely it could be accepted at LR. It would be if football international between 2 countries was there. Ive no interest in UJ at LR but at Ulster matches the NI flag is clearly the most common flag. Some might not like the flag but thats always going to be the case on this Island with many not liking the tricolour.
My first preferance would be the IRFU flag and Irelands call(not great but its the idea behind it that counts)
Did the RFU use a nuetral flag at the weekend?
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Well the one on the pitch was the IRFU logo, as linked to above. No idea what was flown.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
The Rose of Tralee was used as an anthem for the 1987 Rugby World Cup.
I would prefer Sister Sledge "We are Family".
Not sure if this is a deliberate mistake or trying to make a point but
1) The IRFU used Ireland's Call and an IRFU flag as is customary at all away games.
2) The RFU used GSTQ and the Cross of St George as at all England games.
Even if Shane Horgan had been draped in a union jack whistling GSTQ when he went over in the corner with 99 seconds left it wouldn't have been any less sweet,
Good to see at the end of the game seeing Andrew Trimble holding which i was pretty sure was tricolour , Trimble who as far as i know a Unionist maybe somebody can correct me on this. Also i love 'Irelands Call' i always find it very rousing and makes me very proud to be Irish
Trimble is a gentleman by all accounts and I'm not saying that because he might have been holding a tricolour.
On a different note, I was told just over a week ago that Andrew is a son of David Trimble. The lad who told me is 100% convinced that this is the case and couldn't believe that I didn't know this. I asked my brother (a seasoned rugby follower) and he told me that Andrew is no relation to David. I did a Google search and can't find a connection between the two men. Can someone enlighten me please?
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Ah they're all the one souw's pigs i'd say
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watched it all and never seen Trimble holding tricolour,seen a picture of him and think it was Stringer who was holding it. Maybe looked that way about him holding it. The lad does seem to be a gentleman nd a devout christian.
as usual your right i'm wrong. andrew's fathers name is maurice. sorry bout the confusion PM
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$Leon$, give in. You're not an egg man and you never will be.
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Just because $Leon$ made our senior cup team and you didn't, there's no need for jealousy.
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Your just jealous
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Has your location always been posted as 'Blackrock', PM, or is it just since the weekend??
Not trying to make a point. Didn't know that that flag ws standard procedure on away games. Used the term RFU as they were hosted the game. Obviously they woouldn't have done anything without consulting the IRFU.
Cheers for the info
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It was previously just "Dublin". However, I changed it just over a week ago as Dublin is somewhat vague and I wouldn't want people to confuse me with being from other parts of Dublin. In any case, my location has been Blackrock for over 2 years now.Has your location always been posted as 'Blackrock', PM, or is it just since the weekend??
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