A World Cup qualification and 2 play offs and a promotion with Sunderland. Depends on your definition of "success". He hasn't been a success with Sunderland in the Premiership but he has been relatively successful elsewhere. Think he also did well at Millwall.Originally Posted by finlma
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Sad to see him go to be honest. Fact is Sunderland shouldn't have been good enough last season to promotion, and they were NEVER going to be good enough to stay up this season. I think his sacking had more to do with the falling out McCarthy had with the chairman then anything else
So a manager can only be successful in the premiership can he? The 30 odd wins in his 70-odd Ireland games don't count? Or the 30-odd wins in last years Championship or the similar number of wins in the previous year don't count either? Didn't he also take an average Millwall into the playoffs? I guess none of that counts, he's failed with an average Sunderland side struggling with debt in one of the strongest leagues in the world, must be a terrible manager.
"...and it's Charlie Chaplin on the wing..."
Agree totally with that, although signing John Stead confused me
Don't see the point off sacking him now. If it was me I would have waited till the season was over.
I'd love to invent a time machine then go back in time and win the lottery, buy new players and a stadium. Time machines are brilliant aren't they- Ian Holloway
When was this..that milwall team were nearly relegated.....they went into freefall when he was been touted as the next ireland manager.........
I don't agree it wastotally down to a budget that he failed..the system he played was to have a go but the players did not look comfortable in it and they looked disorganised...that has nothing to do with budgets......I also think that being relegated wasn't going to annoy the sunderland fans but the fact they never even looked like staying up. They haven't even competed that is the problem. 2 wins both away from home..no win at the stadium of light...
Bring back the plank
I'm no fan of Millwall but according to www.millwall-history.co.uk his record was as follows:
1991-2: 15th
1992-3: 7th
1993-4: 3rd
1994-5: 12th
1995-6: 9th (after 29 games)
As they were relegated in that final season, the freefall must have happened after he left, so maybe he did a good job holding things together.
In fact maybe we'll see something similar with Sunderland and they'll suddenly plummet.
"...and it's Charlie Chaplin on the wing..."
McCarthys record at Milwall was nothing special so he was very inexperienced when started for Ireland. Hes done a good job at Sunderland with players who are very average & will struggle in the Championship. They might have tight budget but Stead was his big purchase & has failed badly. 1 decent forward might have saved Sunderland who seem to be fairly unlucky losing by the odd goal but as they say losing is a habit.
I wanted to Slate Mc Carthy on this thread but wasnt allowed to . I still have a low opinion of him.
Was Sunderlands budget in the Championship that tight though? I still recall it being one of the highest in the division, despite the spin put on it.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Great player/Captain.Sh!t Manager
good riddance dont think he'll get another job too easily
I think this thread should have stayed in the Ireland section because it directly affects several current or future Irish internationals - Elliott, Lawrence, Breen, Joe Murphy and Daryl Murphy. Elliott needs to stay in the Premiership so he should look for a move anyway. The same could be argued for Lawrence. Breen and the two Murphys may not figure in the new manager's plans. McCarthy always favoured Irish players (some said it was because he knew little else), it will be interesting to see how they fare without him.
In fact maybe we'll see something similar with Sunderland and they'll suddenly plummet.
agree
Bring back the plank
He walked the 1st division with a 1st division side, he's bottom of the premiership with a 1st division side. He must be a bad manager.
I echo those sentiments PM. If there were prizes for honesty and endeavour Mick would surely claim one. Farewell to a legend. Not the first time you wrote those words mind you!
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum
March 06, 2006
Man City report: So, farewell then, Mick McCarthy
A thoroughly decent man, who many of us hoped would be our manager for a long time.
I am not just saying this in retrospect, but the Man City game was the first game in which I can not remember the supporters singing any songs with Mick’s name in it. Probably just a coincidence but even those of us who liked Mick had grown weary.
His last game was not to be his most glorious. But then with the exception of the win at Boro (the win at West Brom even we knew was a dead cat bounce), there has been little Premiership happiness under Mick. He took a team that was frankly a disgrace – either overpaid lazy gits who had come for the money because no-one else wanted them or players who had made their names at Sunderland but had decided they wanted to be first off the sinking ship (no thought that if maybe they had put in the dedication we deserved maybe it wouldn’t be sinking). That team inevitably imploded but with almost nothing at his disposal he got us to third place and an FA Cup semi-final. Then building sensibly on that he had us winning the Championship easily.
After that it, it is hard to think of a single thing that went right. All the aspects of that were there at Man City on Sunday. A goalkeeper worse than two we have let go – Poom cos he was nacked, Myrhe because he didn’t look as good as Davis – at least in the eyes of their fellow professionals as well as Mick. Davis’ pass wasn’t to blame for Collins’ ****-up for the first goal but it hardly helped- he then seemed to dive out of the way of the very narrow-angled shot. No Stephen Wright – injured. Gerorge McCartney out all season and struggling to show anything like the player he is. Much too much faith being put in Breen, who started well with us but was already looking dodgy in the Championship winning side. Danny Collins, possibly a canny Championship player of the future but way out of his depth in the Prem. Lawrence a regular on the right wing – when he was not a regular in the Championship (and of course Delap actually started against City). Whitehead asked to pull the central midfield together when he was never really doing that last season – when we at least had the maturity of Robinson and the tenaciousness of Whitley. Miller has been invisible and Bascilla just looks like a taller, less effective Whitley. On the left Arca, who has been a hero for us over the last few years has been proving to himself and to any watching scouts that he is a great Championship player but not Premiership class. Up front Kyle, still nacked and trying to get back to match fitness, ditto Elliott. Stead a gamble that he could be the lower league and intial Prem player he was – but despite looking skillfull probably more suited to the Chmapionship, Gray panic buy because we couldn’t get the players we wanted.
Despite all of this, we yet again were not out-classed. That run of three terrible home games (Portsmouth, Birmingham and Villa), that really killed us off, apart we rarely have been. But yet again our ability to gift goals and inability to score sort of makes it hard to win a game (or even draw it).
Results are what counts and on that score McCarthy was a Premiership disaster. Nevertheless my philosophy is enjoy the good times when they come along. And Mick gave us some pretty good ones, so I wish him well.
Don’t really want to think much more about the City match. Don’t really want to think much about the future – it looks so bleak at present. The anger of the fans may well turn fully on Bob Murray now. I don’t like the abuse we as fans can give our own on occasions, so I hope things stay peaceful. However, no-one (including Bob – he has said as much) can deny that whatever yardstick one uses, Bob has failed. I know he wants to be out. I know that he is as passionate an SAFC supporter as any of us. For the sake of us all, including himself, he must double, triple, whatever his efforts to get someone in before close season – so that the new manager, whoever it might be can start with a new chairman/owner.
The above is all opinion and based on personal experience. Unless stated otherwise it is not a dig at anybody, well probably none of you lot.
Love the reasoning in that post Block G. Keep up the good work
Sad to see Mick go and have sympathy in the plight he found himself in at Sunderland. People question a poor budget, lack of tactical acumen, poor purchases, low wage structure, bad man-management skills, inconsistent team selection and many other factors. Some were present and some weren't under Mick's reign at Sunderland and we'll all have differeing opinions on which were and which weren't.
What cannot be questioned is the honesty, integrity and devotion he had to his job as manager at Sunderland, and Ireland. To say 'he'll never be a successful manager' is a ridiculous statement and one that must come from people who aren't too well informed on how football works.
Mick will hopefully take stock and look at what could have been done better, and come back a better manager. A better run club than Sunderland could happily employ Mick McCarthy as their manager and be confident in what the man will achieve, under the right circumstances.
Mens sana in corpore sano
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