The Kevin Nolan saga

**NeilMcD** · 28/07/2006, 1:04 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Any chance we can impose a ban on the mention of Nolan in this forum as we did with Celtic? If he actually plays for Ireland we could agree to lift that ban.

I'm sick of hearing about him. It's the same recycled sh**e over and over again. He only uses the threat of Ireland to try to force his way into the current England manager's plans anyway.

how about just ignore the thread and you will be fine I am sure.

**Paddy Garcia** · 28/07/2006, 5:45 PM

Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo

I would have brought him on in the 40th min of the Chile game (or the next friendly).

Then I would have waited 4-5 proper games (competitive matches) and seen what his attitude was like.

If he had a good attitude, trained hard and seemed genuinely proud and interested in playing for us, I would then consider putting him back in proper squads from say summer 07.

If he spat his dummy out through not playing, and became a disruptive influence, I wouldnt have picked him again.

If the former happened we would have a good player, interested in playing for us, who might have had previous comments twisted by the press.

If the latter happened we would have at least ended his international career.

I think with all players like Nolan (where there is doubt over their desire), we should play them for a game to lock them down for us, then drop them for a while and see their attitude and judge if from there.

......and he would be the last player with dual nationality to declare for us if we are seen to treat players with other options with such arrogance. Anyway once they declare, why would there then be a doubt about their desire!

**gustavo** · 28/07/2006, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by vega007

I vote to pass on him. I could live with a player who would rather be playing for England if his name was Steven Gerrard or Joe Cole. Kevin Nolan? Pass.

Thats even more morally dubious than the man himself!

**Colbert Report** · 28/07/2006, 10:57 PM

Quite frankly I think that if you weren't born or raised in Ireland then you shouldn't play for us. That said don't tell Mick McCarthy or John Aldridge they aren't Irish. Kevin Nolan can **** off, I don't want him on our team. If Wayne Rooney hadn't declared for England I would certainly take him though.

**4tothefloor** · 28/07/2006, 11:26 PM

That isn't here nor there!

**gustavo** · 28/07/2006, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by vega007

Quite frankly I think that if you weren't born or raised in Ireland then you shouldn't play for us. That said don't tell Mick McCarthy or John Aldridge they aren't Irish. Kevin Nolan can **** off, I don't want him on our team. If Wayne Rooney hadn't declared for England I would certainly take him though.

I hope you have had a few drinks and that you dont really mean what you are saying but that post makes no sense whatsoever , riddled with contradictions!

**kingoffifa** · 29/07/2006, 6:38 AM

I�m am a fresh fish here so I feel i am duty bound to post on this thread � rite of passage and all that

Would I take him? Yes in a flash if he�s better than what we got.That doesn�t mean that if he doesn�t try like he should in an international shirt I think he should keep getting the chance.

I didn�t care Houghton was Scottish in �88 or 94
I didn�t care Aldridge was English the many times he scored
I don�t care Cascarino didn�t even have an irish passport

They all played with heart and passion and that was more than enough for me. if Nolan signs ups and does the same as those aforementioned then who really cares?
I just want Ireland to qualify � preferably somewhere in Europe so I can afford to go.

So he has hummed and hawed(?) in public about playing for Ireland. So what? Every footballer these days lives their life in the press these days and uses it to their advantage if they can. It�s not like the press doesn�t use them. If he is using the irish card as a bargaining chip to get into the England squad then no doubt it will come back to haunt him in some way.

**nedder** · 29/07/2006, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by kingoffifa

I’m am a fresh fish here so I feel i am duty bound to post on this thread – rite of passage and all that

Would I take him? Yes in a flash if he’s better than what we got.That doesn’t mean that if he doesn’t try like he should in an international shirt I think he should keep getting the chance.

I didn’t care Houghton was Scottish in ’88 or 94
I didn’t care Aldridge was English the many times he scored
I don’t care Cascarino didn’t even have an irish passport

They all played with heart and passion and that was more than enough for me. if Nolan signs ups and does the same as those aforementioned then who really cares?
I just want Ireland to qualify – preferably somewhere in Europe so I can afford to go.

So he has hummed and hawed(?) in public about playing for Ireland. So what? Every footballer these days lives their life in the press these days and uses it to their advantage if they can. It’s not like the press doesn’t use them. If he is using the irish card as a bargaining chip to get into the England squad then no doubt it will come back to haunt him in some way.

This is International football, not club football.
Aldo, Houghton etc, when asked to play, said yes pretty much immediately
Who cares? about 75% of the posters on this board to start with

**livehead1** · 29/07/2006, 1:29 PM

Originally Posted by vega007

Quite frankly I think that if you weren't born or raised in Ireland then you shouldn't play for us. That said don't tell Mick McCarthy or John Aldridge they aren't Irish. Kevin Nolan can **** off, I don't want him on our team. If Wayne Rooney hadn't declared for England I would certainly take him though.

O Dear, O Dear, O Dear. So what you mean to say is that anyone born outside of Ireland shouldn't play for us, although some of them can, but some of them can't, and then if your good you can, although you have to be very good, because if you just quite good like Nolan, then you can't? Is that simplified for ya?!!!!!!

**SeanieBoy** · 29/07/2006, 2:30 PM

Originally Posted by vega007

Quite frankly I think that if you weren't born or raised in Ireland then you shouldn't play for us. That said don't tell Mick McCarthy or John Aldridge they aren't Irish. Kevin Nolan can **** off, I don't want him on our team. If Wayne Rooney hadn't declared for England I would certainly take him though.

That is complete rubbish, there are plenty of Irish would weren't born in Ireland - Paul McGrath for one, plus there is Finnan who was born in Ireland, but wasn't brought up here!! I hate this type of ignorance....

**Donal81** · 29/07/2006, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by vega007

Quite frankly I think that if you weren't born or raised in Ireland then you shouldn't play for us. That said don't tell Mick McCarthy or John Aldridge they aren't Irish. Kevin Nolan can **** off, I don't want him on our team. If Wayne Rooney hadn't declared for England I would certainly take him though.

I assume you've had drink taken and I therefore won't comment on this post, it's too easy...Please clarify though.

**CraftyToePoke** · 29/07/2006, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by vega007

Quite frankly I think that if you weren't born or raised in Ireland then you shouldn't play for us. That said don't tell Mick McCarthy or John Aldridge they aren't Irish. Kevin Nolan can **** off, I don't want him on our team. If Wayne Rooney hadn't declared for England I would certainly take him though.

oh sweet jesus........

Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

Ahh, I was talking about my own reasons for not having a problem with Nolan, reasons you seem incapable of understanding. I wasn't levelling republicanism at you. Maybe you are 12?

4ttf, my good man, just because i have not come round to your way of thinking, that is not to say i have not understood your warblings on the matter.actually, i found your over-simplistic and somewhat myopic offerings, anything but diffcult to comprehend. you just havent argued anything well enough for me to consider it further, thats all, but hardly surprising when you are arguing in favour of a plainly, totally wrong cause, as the democratic process is now proving.

anyhooo........i grow weary of this whole shennanigans at this stage.

**gustavo** · 29/07/2006, 5:08 PM

Anyone else thinks that this thread should be closed till there are actual concrete developments to the situation?

**CraftyToePoke** · 29/07/2006, 5:16 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Anyone else thinks that this thread should be closed till there are actual concrete developments to the situation?

true enough, the debate has been done to death, but, im interested in how the vote is developing TBH,.... it will be too late for fans to give an opinion after the boyo declares, should he do. you know?

**Dodge** · 29/07/2006, 6:42 PM

Unlikely to care though, is he?

**kingoffifa** · 29/07/2006, 7:25 PM

Originally Posted by nedder

This is International football, not club football.
Aldo, Houghton etc, when asked to play, said yes pretty much immediately
Who cares? about 75% of the posters on this board to start with

where did i say club football?

so he didnt say yes in 0.2 seconds. well he must be a crap footballer so....

if he does a Aldo, Houghton etc then about 75 % of this board might not care anymore that he took time over a decision on who to play for.

**Dodge** · 29/07/2006, 8:56 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

Anyone else thinks that this thread should be closed till there are actual concrete developments to the situation?

Excellent idea. Nobody has added anything new to the debate. We all know the situation.

**nedder** · 30/07/2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by kingoffifa

where did i say club football?.

Well you're treating it like club football...

Originally Posted by kingoffifa

so he didnt say yes in 0.2 seconds. well he must be a crap footballer so.....

What??????????????

**gustavo** · 30/07/2006, 11:23 AM

I'll lock this so. Any complaints pm me about it.

**cavan_fan** · 09/08/2006, 1:44 PM

May be time to reopen the Nolan thread!. This from RTE.

Anyone else think Nolan is waiting for McClaren's first England squad, if he's not in that he'll try to declare for us.

Steve Staunton is still hoping that Kevin Nolan will don the green Irish jersey

Republic of Ireland manager Steve Staunton is hoping to cut through a mountain of red tape in a bid to lure Kevin Nolan into the fold.

Staunton and Bolton captain Nolan have discussed on several occasions the prospect of the midfielder pulling on the green of Ireland.

Staunton is eager to recruit a player of Nolan's calibre, yet there remain obstacles, even though he qualifies to play for the Republic via the grandparents' ruling.

Nolan has previously played for England at under-21 level, albeit in a friendly, and featured in a competitive game for the under-18s.

There is a precedent as Everton's Tim Cahill played for Samoa at youth level, yet now represents Australia after lodging a successful appeal with FIFA.

Staunton is not giving up just yet as he said: 'There's a lot of issues surrounding this one.

'Once we cut through the red tape then we will know where we are, and I cannot say much more than that.'