Am I Racist

[anto1208]

im glad to see that most of the people posting here are sensible and while they may get upset the odd time with a foriegner not having a total grasp of the language ,they understand that they have nt had the FREE education or oportunities that we have to learn an other language and cut them a little slack .

anyway ye act like this is new there is a shop run by a little old lady near me and most of the time you have to repeat yourself and point out stuff to her ,its not a big deal .

I think some of the questions are a bit misleading. For instance, asking whether a certain race is better at sports than another race. In my opinion, suggesting that black people are better athletes than Indian or Pakastani athletes seems logical.

I wouldnt worry about it. In terms of what society perceives as being racist, its fair to say that I am a racist. However, that doesn't concern me.

max power and the jamacan pm ye are dirty racists no if buts or maybe's about it . ye dont consider yourselfs to be in the wrong but racists rarely due the KKK think there right too , as do nazi's and they dont concern themselfs with what society thinks either .

that nonsence about black athletes highlights your ignorance , some black athletes are faster some are slower ,just because they are black does nt mean they will be faster , by your lodgic if you had a race with 100 people 50 black 50 idian the first 50 would all be black which is so stupid i dont know where to start on that logic as you call it .

at what stage does some one stop being a foreigner , if there parents are african but they are born here do you consider them as foreigners ? even if they speak a different language look different from you are they now irish .

[max power]

max power and the jamacan pm ye are dirty racists no if buts or maybe's about it . ye dont consider yourselfs to be in the wrong but racists rarely due the KKK think there right too , as do nazi's

sorry but thats going a bit far and i take deep offence to that.




















never mention the jam pm in the same breath as me

what draws you to say that as a matter of interest ????

i dont wish death on any person, such as the nazi or kkk, i have no problem with a member of my family being involved in a mixed race sitution.

i have no problem engaging with people from other countries.

i do however have a problem with going into a store and the person in there not being able to speak english.

[klein4]

I think anyone who even uses the term "mixed race situation" should be made sign on at their local garda station every week......

[Dodge]

But still wished every foreigner in the country would **** off home max...

[Passive]

I haven't had time to read through the whole thread but I don't think it's fair to say that you get annoyed when shop workers don't speak English. Admittedly, the extent to which Chinese students have taken over the service industry is remarkable, but lots of Irish students go to the continent and work in shops and pubs as a way to learn the language. I've never experienced a language barrier in a shop that I couldn't easily get around.

[WeAreRovers]

I've never experienced a language barrier in a shop that I couldn't easily get around.

But you're not a racist who pops out to his local Spar looking to be annoyed because the minimum wage Latvian behind the counter can't understand your accent.

I gave Max Power the benefit of the doubt in an earlier post but this entire thread is full of half-baked quasi-racist nonsense from Max and a few others. very depressing stuff.

KOH

[anto1208]

sorry but thats going a bit far and i take deep offence to that

never mention the jam pm in the same breath as me

what draws you to say that as a matter of interest ????

i dont wish death on any person, such as the nazi or kkk, i have no problem with a member of my family being involved in a mixed race sitution.

i have no problem engaging with people from other countries.

i do however have a problem with going into a store and the person in there not being able to speak english.

as im sure the poor guy that gets told to f@ck off back home take great offence ,

in fairness i probibly should nt have included you with jam pm at least you have questioned your actions in an atempt to find out whether your in the wrong or not , wishing all foreigners to feck off back to where ever they came from because 1 person that you met in a low paid unskilled job was nt able to speak brilliant english is an over reaction .why do you want to send back all the fluent hard working guys that are keeping this country going boosting our economy . remember this guy isnt taking anything from the state none of your tax euro's go into his pocket in fact he is helping by paying tax etc .

we have plenty of irish spongers here that "just dont feel like working god bless them" as flanders would say that deserve our anamosity before some hard working guy just trying to do an honest days work ,

[max power]

But still wished every foreigner in the country would **** off home max...

Once as a thought in my head, it is not a belief i have every day.

[Peadar]

i do however have a problem with going into a store and the person in there not being able to speak english.

I've gone into shops in Dundalk where the staff spoke some strange language. I didn't lose the rag over it though, just concluded my business with a lot of pointing and gesturing. Technically their race was Irish but they couldn't speak English.

[Risteard]

least maxpower questioned his actions in an atempt to find out whether he's in the wrong or not
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remember this guy isnt taking anything from the state none of your tax euro's go into his pocket in fact he is helping by paying tax etc .
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we have plenty of irish spongers here that "just dont feel like working god bless them" as flanders would say that deserve our anamosity before some hard working guy just trying to do an honest days work

Great post, even my macroeconomics lecturer (lover and contributor of The Capitalist Magazine who views refugees as 'disposable labour at the true equilibrium wage' ie below minimum wage) says we need 50,000 foreign nationals in the next two to three years to maintain our tertiary sector ie, flip burgers etc.

Yet still you hear this "me son's sitting at home with no job and and all these ref-u-geees gets all the jobs."
Your son simply prefers Dr.Phil to working.

We've jobs for everyone.

[anto1208]

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[John83]

But you're not a racist who pops out to his local Spar looking to be annoyed because the minimum wage Latvian behind the counter can't understand your accent.

There's a world of a difference between someone not being able to understand you and rudeness from someone in the services industry. I was in a garage recently, and I asked the Chinese guy behind the counter if they had any lozenges (I had a cold). He didn't understand, but quickly picked up on what I meant and gave me some Hacks. He then asked me to repeat the first word I'd used. That guy was polite, and more importantly, he was trying - that's the difference.



@anto1208, you'll see hackers and assorted computer nerds sometimes refer to Linux "boxen"*. I find it very amusing.

* Scientists and engineers often refer to PCs as "machines" ("I have the simulation running on a dozen machines") or "boxes" ("I have that on the Windows box downstairs"), and will distinguish between operating systems like that.

[pete]

Went into a 24 shop last night and they had a new bloke working there - some foreign chap but very pleasant and friendly. He had a problem with names that sounded similar though.
I asked for a couple of bars of whole nut chocolate but he went sifting around the meat sector, came back and said, "Sorry, no whole meat".
Then after I managed to get it across it was chocolate he got the message.Then I asked for firelighters and he gave me cigarette lighters. Got that sorted too when I pointed to the arear where the firelighters were.
I then asked for two packs of 20 Silk Cut King Size Purple. He first brought out a 10 pack of the small Silk Cut Blue. Eventually got that sorted too.

Is you name Ronnie? Was his name Ronnie?

If management does nor employ people who speak english & you have a problem with then it is managements fault. I find the the eastern european service industry employees the best of the foreigners. I think some people come from cultures where queueing isn't the norm - when in Spain i've seen locals unable to form a queue in the supermarket & appear quiet rude.

There is certainly a big difference in the way irish people see foreigners of different races - chinese & eastern european versus african.

Should the state have public education programmes to educate foreigners to the ways of the irish? (cue sarcastic comments on drinking etc...)

[strangeirish]

There is certainly a big difference in the way irish people see foreigners of different races - chinese & eastern european versus african.

Sadly, it's a pigment of our imagination.

[Dr.Nightdub]

I think some people come from cultures where queueing isn't the norm

One of the things that always makes me laugh about this country is the queues for buses. Everyone waits in a reasonably straight line starting at the bus stop, then along comes the bus and whooooosh! - scrum around the door. God love the Irish, we picked up on 90% of the concept of queuing but then blew it at the end.

As for the comments in the thread:
- If you call someone a w@nker, you're frustrated. If you call someone a black w@nker or a Polish w@nker, you're racist.
- If you want foreigners to fcuk off back to where they came from, you're a racist. To be a consistent racist, you should also avoid going to other people's countries - EVER.
- To be REALLY consistent, you should demand that all the Irish who emigrated to other countries should in turn come back to Ireland, along with all their descendants. Then the queue in your local Centra will be far far worse than it is just because the bloke behind the counter hasn't got great English.
- The points about English being hard to learn are well made. What no-one's pointed out is that to learn English, the Chinese working in the service industry first have to learn a whole different ALPHABET.
- We'll be entitled to criticise people for not understanding English when we learn to speak it. Examples: th- and -ing.

[dcfcsteve]

ok dont know what why to approch this but here goes,

does it get up anyone elses nose that when you walk into a store and ask for soemthing of a member of staff that they stare at you as if you have two heads, a lot of workers have no english and i personally feel its a bacis right to walk into a shop and for the staff to be able to speak the same language as you.

maybe its more the employers fault for not insisting that all staff members have a basic level of english, perhaps its just their sheer greed in wanting to raise the profit margin by reducing wage levels.

one light recently i was in store in dublin and i had a problem with something, i asked the staff for the name of and number of the manager as he was not on duty at the time, here is the response i was given.....

"you write it down, its your language". i nearly fell over, i was so pi$$ed off that anyone could say that to me, afterall i go to work in france i learn french etc.

at that moment i wished every foreigner in the land would just fcuk off home.

now maybe this was a flash in the pan moment but i do have problems with certain other aeras of foreign society within this country which i dont want to go into at the mo cause i'll be here all day.

BUT

i do have similar problems with irish people, so i ask, just because those others are foreign nationals of different race and colour , would i be conisdered a racist

I agree with you Max Power. It's an absolute disgrace that Irish people in this country can't even go into a shop and order something in their national language - Gaelic.

Not only can they not do it in Dublin - they can't even in areas with large Gaelic speaking populations. And if they get fecked off with it and lash out at someone, the Garda who comes to take them into custody will more than likely not be able to arrest them in their own language (thanks to recent changes by the government). And when they finally have their day in court, they don't even have the right to have their trial conducted in their national language either.

There are too many Irish people in this country walking around speaking a foreign language. I wish they'd all feck off to England where they linguistically belong......

Now read again what you wrote above and go figure....

[Wiseguy]

I've skipped through most of the posts but what strikes me the most is that in this country you can't open your mouth about a non national without being accused of being a racist.Everyone is so P.C. these days it's gone beyond a joke.The fact of the matter is that there is a certain way that we live and behave in this country and what we accept as good manners and everyone should abide by that.If non nationals have a problem with that then perhaps Ireland is not the country for them.What concerns me the most is that some non nationals come over here for the free ride, expect to carry on the traditions they had in their own country & accuse people of being racist if somebdy questions it.I can assure you that if you went to some of their countries and carried on like you carry on here you would either be jailed or deported.Certain countries have certain laws and ways to live and although you keep your identity and as many traditions as you can you abide by the laws and respect the customs of society.

[Dodge]

YOu really should have read the thread first. NOBODY expects anything less than decent manners FROM everybody. Regardless of the factors/people involved. If someone is rude, they're rude. full stop

[max power]

I agree with you Max Power. It's an absolute disgrace that Irish people in this country can't even go into a shop and order something in their national language - Gaelic.

Not only can they not do it in Dublin - they can't even in areas with large Gaelic speaking populations. And if they get fecked off with it and lash out at someone, the Garda who comes to take them into custody will more than likely not be able to arrest them in their own language (thanks to recent changes by the government). And when they finally have their day in court, they don't even have the right to have their trial conducted in their national language either.

There are too many Irish people in this country walking around speaking a foreign language. I wish they'd all feck off to England where they linguistically belong......

Now read again what you wrote above and go figure....

No need i knew someone would post that at some stage.

[max power]

I've skipped through most of the posts but what strikes me the most is that in this country you can't open your mouth about a non national without being accused of being a racist.Everyone is so P.C. these days it's gone beyond a joke.The fact of the matter is that there is a certain way that we live and behave in this country and what we accept as good manners and everyone should abide by that.If non nationals have a problem with that then perhaps Ireland is not the country for them.What concerns me the most is that some non nationals come over here for the free ride, expect to carry on the traditions they had in their own country & accuse people of being racist if somebdy questions it.I can assure you that if you went to some of their countries and carried on like you carry on here you would either be jailed or deported.Certain countries have certain laws and ways to live and although you keep your identity and as many traditions as you can you abide by the laws and respect the customs of society.

Now i consider that to be more racist than anything i've said.