Am I Racist

[klein4]

surely good manners would be making people as welcome as possible?

[Mad Moose]

I've skipped through most of the posts but what strikes me the most is that in this country you can't open your mouth about a non national without being accused of being a racist.Everyone is so P.C. these days it's gone beyond a joke.The fact of the matter is that there is a certain way that we live and behave in this country and what we accept as good manners and everyone should abide by that.If non nationals have a problem with that then perhaps Ireland is not the country for them.

There was a whole debate on the Ray D'arcy show one morning on the subject of non-nationals.It stemmed from news updates where if someone who arrived here from another country for example died in a road accident or commited a crime they were referred to as non-nationals. There is no such thing as a non-national, everybody has a nationality and why was it so hard to refer to them as been a native of a particular country, Latvian national for example, Lithuanian national, Nigerian national etc. This to me may well have been considered slightly racist but this was the term used by none other than General McDowell. I mean I wouldnt like to be referred to as a non national if I chose to relocate for part of my life in Scotland for example. Personally i meet the same level of ignorance from as many native clannish Donegal people than I do of new arrivals. I have a friend who arrived from Bosnia and I dont blame his leaving there when he did.He has struggled to integrate and i've been inclined to inform him that thats not him but rather where he is and the people he is amongst.Christ I'm fom no more than a hundred miles further south and I would never call this home.

Brendan

[pete]

Now i consider that to be more racist than anything i've said.

Moderator: Please do not quote complete posts when responding.

[max power]

why i was refering to the complete post

and you just quoted my complete post too !

[Wiseguy]

There was a whole debate on the Ray D'arcy show one morning on the subject of non-nationals.It stemmed from news updates where if someone who arrived here from another country for example died in a road accident or commited a crime they were referred to as non-nationals. There is no such thing as a non-national, everybody has a nationality and why was it so hard to refer to them as been a native of a particular country, Latvian national for example, Lithuanian national, Nigerian national etc.
Brendan

I used the term Non-National for a reason.If i was to name every nationality i would be here all bloody day typing.In general i don't have a problem with most of them that come into this country.For the most part they are a welcome addition and most have settled into Irish life and society quite well but some do refuse to accept that this is the way we live in Ireland and expect us to bend over just to accommodate them.I always believe in making people feel welcome but it works both ways and i do know what i am talking about believe me.I also know from experience from being in other countries that you have to adopt some of their traditions and ways of day to day living as not to offend people.When you do this you are made feel welcome in most cases.Most people i know would as the saying goes " when in Rome, live like a roman " and i expect the same from those who come to Ireland.Surely it's not that big of a deal and just common courtesy.

[Mad Moose]

I used the term Non-National for a reason.

No I understand your use of the term and I just want to link it to the fact the term has been considered racist and if not at least inappropriate.Its funny to hear McDowell use it. I take your point on how people should behave but I dont see much difference, its pretty much the changing face of Ireland, people give so little time to courtesy nowadays.Its a race for time and its very much a country that has to adapt to its wealth without losing its values.Not sure if I'm the only one who has seen the change.This country has lost so much of its values, its become a particularly greedy country and people just race to get ahead. Not trying to generalise but I can understand how difficult it must be for somebody to settle here in this country.Perhaps in most circumstances they are counting their blessings.I agree that people,if right was right, would respect the people whom they have come to live amongst.It used to be so funny walking down Parnell Street on the way to college.The change was incredible.

Brendan

[Block G Raptor]

I've skipped through most of the posts but what strikes me the most is that in this country you can't open your mouth about a non national without being accused of being a racist.Everyone is so P.C. these days it's gone beyond a joke.The fact of the matter is that there is a certain way that we live and behave in this country and what we accept as good manners and everyone should abide by that.If non nationals have a problem with that then perhaps Ireland is not the country for them.What concerns me the most is that some non nationals come over here for the free ride, expect to carry on the traditions they had in their own country & accuse people of being racist if somebdy questions it.I can assure you that if you went to some of their countries and carried on like you carry on here you would either be jailed or deported.Certain countries have certain laws and ways to live and although you keep your identity and as many traditions as you can you abide by the laws and respect the customs of society.

Best post on this thread so far.
Non-Nationals have no right to gripe about not being able to fit in if they do not attempt to adopt even the simplest of our customs like queueing or having road tax and insurance.
also a considerable amount of non-national's(Notice Iam not generalising here)
are less than desirable citizen's ie. Criminals in their own countries who want to continue thare criminal ways here. for instance and correct me if I'm wrong
but I'm pretty sure I'd never heard of Crack Cocaine being available in Ireland until reletivley recently and of the seizures that gardai have made the vast majority of arrests made in connection have been people of west African origin. now I dont think I'm racist to say I do not want people like that being allowed to come here If I had my way the irish dealers in death would be deported too
Also the majority of credit card and Identity theft over the Internet originates in Nigeria and Eastern Europe.anyone see a pattern emerging here? I would like to reiterate that I have no Problem with any decent person of any race or creed coming here and contributing to Irish society what I have a problem with is Organised Criminals being given a Carte Blanche to set up their empire's here. Also why do these people come to Ireland as opposed to any other european country? It's not for the Guinness. It is no coincidence that we have the one of the if not the most lucrative Social Welfare systems and the least efficent immigration systems

[Passive]

some non nationals come over here for the free ride, expect to carry on the traditions they had in their own country & accuse people of being racist if somebdy questions it.

Oh look, there's Jesus. And he's weeping.

[Passive]

I'm pretty sure I'd never heard of Crack Cocaine being available in Ireland until reletivley recently and of the seizures that gardai have made the vast majority of arrests made in connection have been people of west African origin.

Do you realise how many thousands of Nigerians are in Ireland?

And do you realise how few people are involved in the aforementioned drug dealing?

Now do you realise what a stupid comment that is?

You can't base your immigration policy on the fact that one out of every thousand immigrants is going to be a c*nt.

I just wish that when people talk about immigration into Ireland they compared everything they were about to say with what Irish immigrants did in places like America and Britain.

[klein4]

block g raptor ; are the majority of these criminals non national or are you only remembering the non national ones as the media feels need to make a point of this in reports? correct me if I am wrong here but there was plenty of serious crime here before we ever had any immigration. and also do you really feel queing is what defines us as Irish people? I agree with person above who said bus/luas ques are total free for alls. And there was plenty of people driving without tax/insurance and after consuming an amount of alcohol that would make shane macgowan blush before immigration to this country. people seem to be takin out a general sense of frustration in their own lives on the nearest and easiest target - foreign people. pretty ****in boring and repetitive at this stage.

[Dodge]

Spot on klein4

[max power]

If after this thread i am considered a racist i'm not alone around here.

[Poor Student]

If after this thread i am considered a racist i'm not alone around here.

Max, how do you feel about the implication? Does it make you feel like you wanto change or make you feel that people are just being over the top?

[Block G Raptor]

Do you realise how many thousands of Nigerians are in Ireland?

And do you realise how few people are involved in the aforementioned drug dealing?

A Significant ammount I believe

I just wish that when people talk about immigration into Ireland they compared everything they were about to say with what Irish immigrants did in places like America and Britain.

What? Worked their Balls off for feck all pay? as I've already said I have no problem with Genuine decent people coming here to work.
Iam sick of bleeding heart do gooder's throwing the whole "the Irish emmigrated in their millions" BS. in anyones face who dares question this countrys policy on Immigration. My Brothers and uncles did not get a free house in a plush suburb when they arrived in Brisbane or Boston. they were not given 100's of dollars every week nor did they get "Socialising Money" so they could integrate with the nationals whom really they wouldn't P!ss on if they were on fire. Give me a break A Significant ammount if not a majority of so called asylum seekers are coming here from England because they get more benefits. Wake up and see whats going on we are being taken for a ride by these "Benefit Tourists". It's worth noticing that there are no Direct flights from Nigeria to Dublin and european law states that an Asylum Seeker must calim asylum in the first member state in which they land or be returned to the member state which they arrived from why is this law not being enforced?

[Plastic Paddy]

also a considerable amount of non-national's(Notice Iam not generalising here) are less than desirable citizen's ie. Criminals in their own countries who want to continue thare criminal ways here.

Are you for real? Go on, invent some spurious statistic to support your prejudice; that'll fool everyone. People won't think you're in the slightest bit racist...

Also why do these people come to Ireland as opposed to any other european country? It's not for the Guinness. It is no coincidence that we have the one of the if not the most lucrative Social Welfare systems and the least efficent immigration systems

Ahh, that old canard. Daily Mail readers in this country (the UK) have been buying that bullshît hook line and sinker for years now. I bet the trashy press all over Europe are stoking up the little-Ire/Eng/whoever-landers in their readership with this nonsense. What makes you think that in-migrants don't settle in other European states? I'll tell you now that they do and in larger numbers than ever make it to the windswept western outpost of Europe known as Ireland.

Have a word with yourself. You sound like an unreconstructed bigot. I'm sure you're not like that at all...

PP

[max power]

no i feel its a lot of over the top PC stuff, ok i had a thought last weekend but its not what i think every day.

i deal with people from other countries every day, the main problem for me is the level of english. some cultural differences as well but some of those are also positive.

i see the dutch have brought in an exam and if you dont pass it your out the door. also there is something about only dutch being spoken on the streets of Rotherdam.

[Passive]

My Brothers and uncles did not get a free house in a plush suburb when they arrived in Brisbane or Boston. they were not given 100's of dollars every week nor did they get "Socialising Money" so they could integrate with the nationals whom really they wouldn't P!ss on if they were on fire.

Oh sweet Jesus, just when you think the debate has reached its lowest ebb along comes this.

If living with your family in a one roomed flat (as the majority of asylum seekers do in direct provision housing) and trying to survive on around Eur19 a week is your idea of fun then....well, it pretty much confirms what I thought about bohs fans.

Look at the figures and get back to me when you have the slightest clue as to what you are talking about.

[Block G Raptor]

have no Problem with any decent person of any race or creed coming here and contributing to Irish society

Does this sound racist or Bigotted. I have no Problem with anyone because of the colour of their Skin.but lets call a spade a spade her for a minute(am I allowed to use this Irish annalogy or is it not P.C. anymore ) the majority of non-nationals have not done a lot to endear themselves to us hopefully that will change over the years as future genertations are born here and hopefully integrate with more enthusiam than there pre-decessors
If I caused offence to anyone my appologies I really dont want to sound Racist(really I do beleive that we are all equal but I also beleive respect must be earned) but Iam p!ssed off with Ireland being seen as an easy touch!

[Block G Raptor]

O trying to survive on around Eur19 a week is your idea of fun

I would love to know where you are getting your Figures from because let me assure you they are getting a whole lot maore than €19 a week and if you believe that to quote George Hamilton "You sir are an Idiot"

[micls]

I would love to know where you are getting your Figures from because let me assure you they are getting a whole lot maore than €19 a week and if you believe that to quote George Hamilton "You sir are an Idiot"

After the posts you've made on this thread you calling someone else and idiot is laughable