QuoteIt's Kim Kallstrom I want to see, one for the Champ Manager fans there!
Goalkeepers: Eddie Gustafsson (Ham-Kam), Andreas Isaksson (Stade Rennes)
Defenders: Christoffer Andersson (Lillestrom), Mikael Dorsin (Rosenborg Trondheim), Erik Edman (Stade Rennes), Petter Hansson (Heerenveen), Teddy Lucic (BK Hacken), Olof Mellberg (Aston Villa), Alexander Ostlund (Southampton)
Midfielders: Daniel Andersson (Malmo), Niclas Alexandersson (IFK Gothenburg), Kim Kallstrom (Stade Rennes), Tobias Linderoth (FC Copenhagen), Christian Wilhelmsson (Anderlecht), Anders Svensson (Elfsborg), Fredrik Ljungberg (Arsenal)
Forwards: Marcus Allback (FC Copenhagen), Johan Elmander (Brondby), Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus), Mattias Jonson (Djurgarden), Henrik Larsson (Barcelona), Markus Rosenberg (Ajax Amsterdam).
Decent squad. It will be more a test for our defenders than anything with the likes of Larsson, Ibrahimovic, Wilhelmsson and Ljunberg in there.
Decent squad alright, but with the exception of the names you mentioned & one or two others it's a squad that's full of half-decent players playing for half-decent clubs but with a peppering of genuine quality added. Sound familiar?Originally Posted by eirebhoy
And they consistently qualify for tournaments, consistently win tough away games & consistently perform well at major tournaments. A lesson there somewhere?
Also, notice how many players play domestically or in Norway.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 22/02/2006 at 2:59 PM.
Sweden has a good, stable side. Individually defense and midfield is weak but they have a nack of coming together and playing well in competitive matches. They play quite defensively in competitive matches, relying on the counter to score goals - which is all well and good because they're playing to their strengths and maximising it.
Their play is usually open in friendly matches, which results in them losing a lot in these matches.
Of those players playing in Scandinavia, none of them - bar Elmander - are worth getting excited about.
Hope he playes, greatest ever striker i have seen in my life time, he is still doing the job, 6 in last 8 goals for Barca, hope he stuffs Chelsea tonight.
Yeah good point Suttgart, there was a time when Ireland played above themselves and in many ways we were an influence on teams like Sweden and Norway in a style of football etc. In the last campaign I think we played below ourselves which was annoying and lets hope that Staunton can get that back into the Ireland team.
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Very dissapointed that Alex Bruce didnt get a call up - he qualifies through his great great great great granny who was raped by a viking on lambay island
I was thinking recently that Kevin Doyle is like him in many ways both physically & in style. Both score a good proportion of goals in the air despite neither being tall. Larsson's timing in the jump was / is extraordinary. I think Doyle's is good too. Both finish well and are good all round contributors. Maybe it's just fanciful thinking though!
Eh, he's in the U21s!
the swedish u-21s?
Yeah, he declared last night. No disrespect to us or the Swedes, "it's purely because Sweden are a better team."
Interesting that those players (on losing side at club level to eL side in last 2 years) make squad for country off to this years World Cup. On the other hand no eL players in irish squad that failed to qualify for the World Cup. However the starting Ireland team will probably have player (Kevin Doyle) who played against & beaten those swedish teams in recent years...
Interesting that those players (on losing side at club level to eL side in last 2 years) make squad for country off to this years World Cup. On the other hand no eL players in irish squad that failed to qualify for the World Cup. However the starting Ireland team will probably have player (Kevin Doyle) who played against & beaten those swedish teams in recent years...
I think its a fair point. The football culture (or lack of it) in Ireland is not geared to accepting this or grasping the potential on our own doorsteps.
True, but at least the Genesis eL report recognises the medium term potential of the eL, even if you might not agree with the route they suggest is taken. I personally think that factors like Rovers getting a proper stadium, Dalyer being improved (and shared) etc. are positive factors. When I lived in Ireland I was happy to put up with sub-par spectator facilities but I know hundreds of others who weren't. I think the eL will get there in time. Small things like Staunton re-allowing the U21s to train with the seniors will give him a good flavour of what players like O'Donovan & Ward are like.
And while i'm at it the elevation in less than 9 months of Doyle from unknown player (outside eL circles) to not just in the Ireland squad but to have 99% of people calling for him to start also highlights the ignornace of eL football.
Pete you are right that a lot of people are ingorant of players in our own league however I dont agree with your theory about.
If I am working in a job and I get a promotion and as a result of this promotion I get to show my talens off to a the wider public and I am been headed hunted by various companies does this mean that these companies did not have a clue before hand.
Sometimes getting a promotion and doing well is proof that you can make it at the top. For some people scoring goals at EL level is not enough proof that the person can make it at international level.
I dont think anyone would disagree that The Championship is of a higher level than the Eircom League, however I am sure the European Football that Kevin Doyle played in helped him big time.
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I'd be interested in hearing Doyle's own slant on it. Has playing for a bigger professional club, with better facilities, training daily with better team mates (as I'm sure you'll admit), playing under a high quality coach, playing in a tougher league made him a better player? Was he surprised himself how well he has done? Would Doyle himself have said he should be in our squad 9 months ago or was he still "work-in-progress"?
About 6 months ago, maybe more, I posted that a good manager should be able to identify if a domestic player is good enough. Staunton's decision will only make it easier to identify this.
Doyle's qualities are as much innate as to do with any external factors - ie who he plays with. He played for my club a few years ago - got a couple of appearances and even then it was clear he had talents (not saying he warranted a cap just making the point that good players are good players). The Swedes are unencumbered by notions that innately good players must play in a certain league for their qualities to be considered good enough at international level. I read Four Four Two this week and Sven was bemoaning Englands inability to beat Sweden - with various theories put forward about Swedens better organisation and technique - I have to say I laughed out loud- their club football is in the doldrums but they're still open to bolstering their squad with good enough home based players.
The mind set has to change and perceptions have to be opened up. Its pointless sitting on potential Kevin Doyles here just because Steve Coppell hasnt come over for a two day break and a few pints o the black stuff! Maybe Staunton will grasp the nettle on this.
Obviously its not as clear as a few eL players must be in the irish squad. However in the 9 months i mention Doyle is not expected to start in the first eleven for Ireland - that is some step up from just making up the numbers in a squad. Remember he made the irish squad only a few months after joinging Reading so no chance he improved so much.
If international squads were just about picking players from the highest level Staunton would just have to start with Chelsea & work his way through the division to select his squad - its not as simple as that.
Doyle has said that he hasn't improved that much but is playing with overall better players (whole squad as opposed to few players) & not much difference in standard.
And I'd like to just boast that I predicted Doyle being Eircom League top scorer before a ball was kicked last season when very few people thought so.He wasn't playing up front much for City the season before last though was he?
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