Bohemians Accounts published in Sunday Business Post

**Dodge** · 21/02/2006, 8:54 AM

To be fair to Shels, Fenlon and others are often open about them spending money they don't have. They're going for the "speculate to accumulate" type of planning that worked so well for Rovers

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 12:11 PM

You wont ever see any accounts for shels (or Longford) as their football club(s) are not incorporated bodies, as such they have no obligation to return accounts to the CRO.

However, shels debts are evidently directors loans which would in large part be paid off by the sale of tolka with the remainder being used as shels wish.

Of course, this is permitted by the license, but what the hey...

**Macy** · 21/02/2006, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by thomas

You wont ever see any accounts for shels (or Longford) as their football club(s) are not incorporated bodies, as such they have no obligation to return accounts to the CRO.

eh, we're a members club though, so member's will see the accounts.

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 12:32 PM

Is the tax man a member too?

How is it in any way transparent if you are not obliged to return accounts when others do?

**Longfordian** · 21/02/2006, 12:33 PM

Correct, pay your 40 or 50 quid a year and you can see them at the AGM.
Thomas, we've had many dealings with the Revenue recently and have a TCC for the whole of 2006 as far as I'm aware. We paid them a large sum of money not too long ago.

**Macy** · 21/02/2006, 12:44 PM

Revenue returns and the CRO are two seperate issues Thomas. I mean whats the current Rovers one on the CRO. Because if you're looking for transparency, all those listed as "Shamrock Rovers Football Club" are dissolved...

**Macy** · 21/02/2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by northside hoop

Branvard Ltd, I presume, which would be well known to all and sundry.

Obviously, and known to most in eL circles anyway.

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 1:08 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Obviously, and known to most in eL circles anyway.

True, some issues with that, but will be renamed shortly.

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 1:10 PM

Originally Posted by Macy

Revenue returns and the CRO are two seperate issues Thomas. I mean whats the current Rovers one on the CRO. Because if you're looking for transparency, all those listed as "Shamrock Rovers Football Club" are dissolved...

True, but there is a company there as NH said. Agreed on the returns/revenue, but it still smacks of a lack of transparency when 20 / 22 clubs have balance sheets available for anyone with �2.50 to spare and 2 don't.

**Dodge** · 21/02/2006, 2:07 PM

Transparency for who? As long as Revenue know whats going on , whats the problem?

**NY Hoop** · 21/02/2006, 2:46 PM

Originally Posted by kdjaC

Bah thats a crap way to do it, how about lie, cheat and deceive the league and revenue, get given a stadium and then pay a euro a week to the revenue for the next 100 years or so. Its what all the kool kids are doing.

Oh and then come and boast about how kool your club is and how your the best run candyfloss stand in the circus.

Btw nice to see a club show there true financial state rather than hide behind "other" fundraising schemes.

kdjac

I know that you're not the brightest but this has been explained before. Coming from a club that couldnt register their players is rich. Why dont you toddle back to boards beavis?

KOH

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Transparency for who? As long as Revenue know whats going on , whats the problem?

Obligation for books, records and auditing are non existant in comparison with incorporated entities.

It needs to be transparent so that all clubs know they are on an equal footing. This is especially the case for auditing and for how employees are paid.

For example, an unincorporated club might get away paying self employed players a gross sum while everyone else has to pay net to players and the tax balance to revenue. This means there is a significant disadvantage for all other incorporated clubs.

Added to that failing to be a limited company or co-op is unprofessional and extremely risky for anyone directly involved.

**fitzknows** · 21/02/2006, 3:47 PM

It�s quite sad to see certain Shamrock Rovers fans post messages on this site gloating about other club�s alleged financial difficulties given what�s happened with Shamrock Rovers FC over the past couple of years. �Minnowism� is about the only word that i can use to describe it.

**NY Hoop** · 21/02/2006, 3:54 PM

Originally Posted by fitzknows

It�s quite sad to see certain Shamrock Rovers fans post messages on this site gloating about other club�s alleged financial difficulties given what�s happened with Shamrock Rovers FC over the past couple of years. �Minnowism� is about the only word that i can use to describe it.

Coming from a limerick fan I find that deliciously ironic.

The fans saved our club and discovered that previous practices were non existent. Now that we are following proper procedures it is only right that questions be asked regarding other member clubs.

KOH

**fitzknows** · 21/02/2006, 4:00 PM

How is it ironic. I am not gloating over any club�s perceived financial difficulties.

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by fitzknows

It�s quite sad to see certain Shamrock Rovers fans post messages on this site gloating about other club�s alleged financial difficulties given what�s happened with Shamrock Rovers FC over the past couple of years. �Minnowism� is about the only word that i can use to describe it.

Where does it gloat? Its pointing out a reality that unincorporated clubs can get an unfair advantage compared to everyone else.

Try re-reading the posts, legal obligations under the companies act do not = financial difficulties.

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 4:54 PM

Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Well Said !

Should we start an I agree thread or can people contribute actual opinions.

**WeAreRovers** · 21/02/2006, 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by fitzknows

How is it ironic.

I suspect it was the Limerick fan calls Rovers fans minnows bit.

KOH

**thomas** · 21/02/2006, 8:58 PM

Originally Posted by Rogue Trader

Wild and ignorant opinions and ridiculous accusations about other clubs when you dont have a clue about them should not be welcomed IMO on this forum !

Of course, so if they have nothing to hide I wouldn't have to mouth off about how they are hiding it.

**kdjaC** · 21/02/2006, 9:22 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

I know that you're not the brightest but this has been explained before. Coming from a club that couldnt register their players is rich. Why dont you toddle back to boards beavis?

KOH

So you really do have the best candyfloss stand in the circus? Arguing or debating anything with a Rovers fan on this or any other website, shucks even in real life. Should be an event in the Special Olympics.

kdjac