Funny we should be discussing that as RTE did a small piece after the Chelsea vs Barca game last night to celebrate his 50th birthday. Pity Laughing Bill had to spoil it a bit by his usual attack on Charlton but it was a nice tribute - oh those empty seats in Lansdowne as Brady scored against BrazilOriginally Posted by klein4
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Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Owls Fan is Charlton beyond criticism. surely its valid to bring that up as it was a harsh way to treat Brady.
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Charlton got nothing but criticism from Laughing Bill, Giles and Dunphy for 8 years non stop and then, when they were finished with him, they turned on McCarthy. It was the lack of balance that annoyed me on the RTE panels. All 3 sang from the same hymm sheet. Never a dissenting voice.
So in the tribute, right at the end, the anchor man says "I think it was a disgrace the way Charlton substituted you". Surely, if they wanted to bring up that topic yet again, Laughing Bill should have said to Brady "How did you feel about being substituted ?" It is not the role of an anchor man to say a particular action was a "disgrace" but that has been typical of O'Herlihy over the years when it comes to treating Charlton.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
one of great things about giles and dunphy is that they speak their minds. no bullsh*t, very forthright. irish tv would be a lot poorer if they started modifying their opinions for the sake of "balance". if you want that, switch over to the bland drivel on BBC or sky.
have to say I thought the researchers were shown up to be lazy ****es last nite. could they not find one clip of his time in italy? joke. and I thought bill was disgraceful bringing up that ****e about charlton. surely they should have been focusing on more positive aspects of a long career.
Yeah to be fair to RTE I do think they were dissenting when the rest of the country was running around in a state of frenzy. I agree it would have been much more interesting if they had a pro Charlton footballing expert during the 80's and 90's to be honest I am struggling to think of anyone that could have filled that role. But the print media loved Charlton and so the the companies he did ads for also. Not sure the fish in the west of Ireland were a fan of the Charlton years.
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The problem is that much of what Dunphy says is "bullsh*t". Just because someone speaks their mind, it doesn't make it correct. So what you want is someone to mouth off any old controversial cr*p that completely contradicts what he said the week before. Well, if that's what you like....
Balance does not equal bland. Balance equals a different opinion to the same opinion being expressed by the two panelists and the anchor man.
I also agree with klein4. Why bring up something that leaves a bad taste in a tribute to someone unless it's to have a go at Charlton ?
NeillMc, I am sure there would have been numerous ex-professional (other than Eoin Hand) who could have been brought in to break up the lovefest between Giles and Dumpy. Brady provides a balance now except when it comes to Chelsea which he hates as much if not more as the other two.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
So find me 3 panellists that bring balance to every topic that they talk about and that there is not one topic that they dont agree. Also tell me a show that has this. Where shoudl we watch football on Tv then.
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Usually Brady, Giles and Dunphy. Brady for the most part disagrees with the other two except when it comes to Chelsea. Trevor Steven when he's on also isn't part of the "I agree with John" "I agree with Eamon" duet.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
So then you agree with the Thank god for RTE which was said in another thread.
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well that's your opinion of dunphy, which is obviously one of loathing. if i did think he was talking crap and contradicting himself every week, then i wouldn't listen to him.
whether you agree or disagree with him, he's pretty an interesting pundit. and besides the roy keane sagas, during which he's been irrational/emotional/contradictory, dunphy has been taking a consistent line for years about the type of football and footballers he admires: honesty, courage, responsibility, aesthetics, great players versus merely good ones etc. just cuz giles shares the same philosophy doesn't mean they should break up the format for the sake of balance. i'd rather have something interesting, educational and frequently controversial, than have a few bland geezers politely disagreeing with each other. but if that's what you like...
yeah brilliant post.
just out of intrest owlsfan are you based in ireland or england?
only ask cause a lot of people changed their opinion on dunphy after hearing his radio shows where he is a bit less "showbiz" than he is as a panelist.
You obviously don't listen to what he says because he is anything but consistent. He will contradict himself week in, week out. His predictions are nearly always wrong. He predicted Chelsea to beat Barca and that gets forgotten about in his diatribe (unjustified based upon results this year and last) against the Premiership. I could go on all day here about the man but I might end up getting a strokeIt says so much about Irish society that people like him are regarded as "great characters". He talks about the "gutter press" while some of the personal attacks he made on Mick McCarthy were worse than some of the stuff you'd see in the Sun or Evening Herald
klein4, I live in Dublin and I have heard Dunphy on the radio. He will criticise someone but once he has them as a guest on the show, he sticks his head so far up their ars* that it almost comes out their mouth. Cringe-making stuff.
Why don't we get Hector on the Premiership - sure he's great gas as well and can say controversial things and keep us all entertained.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
dont agree with you.
I thought last nites analysis was top notch from all three.
even their response to mourhinhos call for the game to be replayed and the fact that they called del hornos tackle for what it was eventho the commentry team called it wrong.
I dont particularly like dunphy but it is a better show with him on it. he does take a ass licking approach to his guests on radio show and I think even bill alluded to that last nite when he said he was gettin worse than eamonn when he kept praising brady!
Great post and spot on. Dummy is a coward. Made repeated and unwarranted attacks on the league here even though it gave him a living and his only medal in football. A parody of himself at this stage.You obviously don't listen to what he says because he is anything but consistent. He will contradict himself week in, week out. His predictions are nearly always wrong. He predicted Chelsea to beat Barca and that gets forgotten about in his diatribe (unjustified based upon results this year and last) against the Premiership. I could go on all day here about the man but I might end up getting a stroke
klein4, I live in Dublin and I have heard Dunphy on the radio. He will criticise someone but once he has them as a guest on the show, he sticks his head so far up their ars* that it almost comes out their mouth. Cringe-making stuff.
Why don't we get Hector on the Premiership - sure he's great gas as well and can say controversial things and keep us all entertained.
KOH
the MLS???
Well, you're obviously having difficulty reading what I said. I said he's taken a consistnent view of footballers and football in general, going back years to when he wrote his book. I think everyone who's listened to him for the past 20 years would agree with that. But i think you are blinded by your hatred for the man.
On a weekly basis, yeah well if he gets his predictions wrong, big deal. Name me a pundit who doesnt. As for his weekly contradictions, you'll have to be specific, because I suspect you are talking through your hat on that one.
Anyway, not much point continuing the conversation. sounds like you'd prefer to listen to ray houghton or peter shmeichel talking a load of hot air. so be it...
EXAMPLES eh ?
Dunphy (and his buddies) on Mick McCarthy before the Ireland vs Romania game
Dunphy: "He (McCarthy) is a PR man. What he's doing is trying to pretend that the older players are finished. He has set out his stall to massage public opinion. He's going to be around a long time spinning this stuff".
O'Herlihy: "But let's say..."
Dunphy: "Listen, listen. I've spoken to senior pros ((presumably the ones Mick had dropped)). This guy hasn't got a clue what he's at".
Giles: "I agree with that" ((Great balance as ever in the RTE Panel))
Dunphy: "The whole set up stinks. This is going to be another EOin Hand job. The whole set up stinks and he deserves plenty of stick. We will be slughtered today. He's a manipulator of public opinion ((pot and kettle come to mind)). ((He then goes on to predict 4-0 to Romania)).
Obviously the phone lines were hopping to which Laughing Bill O'Herliny replies:
Laughing Bill: "It's extremely irritating to give objective comment and then at the end of the day to be accused of being unpatriotic"
Objective - what a laugh.
As for the game, those of you who remember, we out played Romania, lost 1-0 and Keane missed a peno. It was an excellent performance. Later on:
Dunphy: "It has been a much better performance than I expected. There is nothing wrong with the commitment of the players except Roy Keane ((pre autobiography deal)) who hasn't been in the game as much as he should".
Later:
Ireland 1 Holland 0
Dunphy after tha game: "An incredible achievement by the manager and players.....Credit to the manager and to the atmosphere and to the family feeling, the feeling of belonging, he has created.....That is why the manager and coaches deserve credit. That's a cumalitive thing and very, very impressive.....A vindication for the manager who's had a rough time ".
He didn't of course contradict himself later when Saipan arrived
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Just to remind you that Dunphy said Liverpool had no hope of reaching the Final, ridiculed the team, predicted that Chelsea would score in both legs and that the Liverpool defence was hopeless and blamed every team that Liverpool beat on the way for underperforming. Whenever he is wrong, he blames the short-comings of the team he had predicted would win - just like last Wednesday against Barca.
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Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
Dont know how I forgot this. Claimed kilcoyne was a hero after selling Milltown
I dont hate him I just feel sorry for him and anyone who is related to him.
Re that Romania game didnt he predict that we would get slaughtered 5-0?!
KOH
The "I agree with John" "I agree with Eamon" roadshow was in town last night on RTE as they showed the highlights of the game. Dunphy began his analysis of the game by an attack on Lawrenson's piece in the IT where Lawro said we shouldn't get carried away by one result and that there were weakenesses in the centre of defence, midfield and upfront. I thought Lawro's comments made perfect sense but "Mr Controversial" launched into a vitriolic attack on him "I'm not one to criticise other journalists
There was no discussion about the merits of Lawro's comments - just an attack. No mention of Andy O'Brien's performance at the back. But strangely enough they conceded later there was a problem in midfield - just as Lawro had said.
Then Laughing Bill lead a discussion about the performances of "the 3 debutants": Ireland, Doyle and Millar
Because the 3 Amigos were criticial of Kerr at the end of his era, they now support the Stan regime and will bear no criticism. I'll give it 6 months before Dumpy turns on him.
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