Originally Posted by ColinR
I'm aware of that. That's why my own example used the time I get up and get back home at. My argument still stands (4 days notwithstanding) - I hardly know anyone who works those hours, and it is certainly not normal.
I've only read the letters on the ryanair site but IMO the only issues that are newsworthy are safety ones. Flight crews working long hours makes no difference all that matters is that pilots hours are within the laws - 900 hours a year sounds like nice job. EU 48 hour working week is a joke & unworkable - "voluntary hours" mentioned above. I don't see any issue with not checking passports at boarding - flight crew couldn't tell a forged passport anymore than i could.
That's fair comment.
The above is all opinion and based on personal experience. Unless stated otherwise it is not a dig at anybody, well probably none of you lot.
well, ithink we'll have to disagree about what is to be described normal or abnormal (we've probably gone off-topic now!).
back on-topic, has anybody that has actually watched the documentary found it insightful in anyway?
it surely could have been a much better show, and looked much worse on ryanair if they had have had any balance in it. go under-cover in BA or virgin, and show them checking passports etc., have their pilots talk about their hours etc.
the subject matter is rife for a proper investigation, unfortunately this wasn't one
people have come on with there minds allready made up , the ones in support of ryanair like the cheap flights and no nonsence attitude of MOL not to have union based large staff driving up the prices .
the ones against ryanair seem to think they will be safe flying any other airline there not. its like watching supersize me then saying Mcdonalds is bad for you im never eating it again im going to burger king instead .
It's normal for shiftwork, i.e. people who have to work overnight. There's a girl in my class who workes 12 hours a day, 4 days a week, with every second week day or night clearing cheques for the bank. I haven't seen the program but if that made the top ten list of complaints I'm not too worried.
1: Ryanair have online check in now - no passport check at check in
2 and 3: Only one check, when you go through the security gate, no check when you put your bags etc through the xray etc. No other passport control
4: Not on Ryanair apparently
5: Never had my boarding pass checked getting on a Ryanair plane, and only on others to so they can direct me to an allocated seat
I still say it's 3 including the boarding gate, and that's already down to 2 with Ryanair with their online check in.
Most times aer lingus are cheaper when I'm booking flights, and I do look at both.
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Get another job then or better still move back to Ireland!we only get paid for 37 1/2 hours, our overtime is 'voluntary', so its not recorded.
so how is it any different from the other airlines they only check your passport on check in aswell , so how are ryanair less safe to travel with than any other airline doing the same amount of checks
aerlingus is cheaper maybe if you fly on a tuesday or wens not at the week end like i need .i fly friday and sunday return for 12 euro normally about 40 after taxes , plus if you add the cost of driving from dublin to limerick and back thats 100 euro in deisel !! so they are nt cheaper for my paticular trip
but on another point the free seating is a stroke of genius every one gets on and gets sat down in about 5 or 10 mins rather than waiting for people to find there seat then put the bags up while standing in the middle of the plane blocking everyone else from getting on .
It was you that said there were 5 checks when there are clearly 3 max. One of which Ryanair has dropped, and one that it is their practice not to carry out (they don't deny it, just come up with a list of other checks that are carried out).
I've always found ryanair worse/ as bad for the free/cheap seats being midweek. My next trip would've been 300 plus on Ryanair Friday to Sunday, Friday to Sunday Aer Lingus was 150. Doing Thursday to Monday 60 aer lingus, Ryanairs price was 150. I only booked it a couple of weeks ago. Adding in petrol is irrelevant, as not comparing like with like, just the same as comparing two different routes isn't like with like.
Again, not my experience. Time wise no difference imo, in terms of civilised travelling worth at least a tenner each way.
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Adding in petrol is irrelevant, as not comparing like with like, just the same as comparing two different routes isn't like with like.
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airlingus may be cheaper in some cases but that is thanks to ryanair , remember the cost of flights a few years back with them ? massive ,why ? because they were a badly run company with a union based workforce that kept too many in jobs and costs way too high .
i was comparing liverpool to limerick ,with ryan air its liverpool to shannon with airlingus its liverpool dublin limerick so the cost of petrol has to be a factor when considering which to use .to get me from point A to point B.
because i fly quite o lot 2 or 3 times a month ive found ryanair better suits me . i suppose its personal choice , i think the open seating works really well ive never had to wait more than a minute to find a seat where as on other flights ive been standing on the tarmac waiting in the rain while some old bag tries to find which seat she is ment to be in .because she cant sit in the first available one .
if people dont want to fly with ryanair than fair enough dont ! but to say you wont fly because there any less safe than the others is stupid .
Last edited by anto1208; 16/02/2006 at 2:20 PM.
I've just seen the documentary last night/morning and I can safely say I for one will not be travelling with Ryanair again. My flight to Pisa in December is to be my last. (where we were asked before landing to help clean the aircraft ourselves to aid the turnaround - I am passenger, not a cleaner).
I do not trust them anymore at all. I do not appreciate their attitude both to me in the past (when paying pretty full price for a seat) if their only line of defence is along the lines of we haven't had an accident yet (based on their statement at the end) and that other airlines do it too (how childish is that?), then bye bye Mr. O'Leary.
Though in keeping with Ryanair's general attitude, I'm sure he couldn't care less.
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no they ask you to take your rubbish with you not to clean up the plane , why do you feel its ok to leave rubbish laying about for some one else to clean up ?
they do this so they dont have to employ cleaners to get on the plane and clean up after you thus driving up the prices
Ah, so is there anything else they'd like me to do since I only paid so little..? Refuel the plane when it lands? Take off my own luggage? I mean that would do away with labour and rid them of baggage handling disputes....sure why don't we all pitch in and try to get the plane turned around in 10 minutes while we're at it saving time and money...?
It is unprofessional. It is also unacceptable for some passengers, potentially a lot who have paid in the mid hundreds for the flight anyway. If they cannot provide the flight with any crumb of professional behaviour, then I will pay over the odds for someone who will. I am not looking to be treated like kings, I am looking to be simply respected for at least most steps for longer than until I click 'Pay'. For the people in such circumstances that Ryanair provides the only option, I feel sorry for your misfortune.
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That's fine. Thanks to ryanair you have a choice of carriers and you can pick your favourite. Personally I'm perfectly happy to carry my own bags, bring my own sandwich and pick up after me if it saves me a few bob. That's what competition and choice are all about.
Everyone knows what they will get with Ryanair so if you don't like don't use them. I've had both my worst & my best flight with Ryanair.
There are few enough direct choices from Ireland as Aer Lingus was being run for the staff for far too long & Aer Rianta have protected them for years too. Happily that has changed to a large extent now.
I have never thought Aer Lingus were great. They fairly cheap for trans-atlantic but service far from top class but i know that when booking.
I respect O'Leary as unlike vast majority of irish millionaires he still lives in this country & pays his taxes here. Also he doesn't get involved with politicians like some others. People like Dermot Desmond are the spongers of this state in comparison - tax exiles & basically bribing politicians (Haughey & IFSC).
Whatecer about the rest of your argument, this comment is at best naive. O'Leary plays the same game as the rest and utilises as much of the tax laws as he can...
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ei, ba, bmi all ask the same of you. They come around with a bag asking you to throw out anything that your finished with and ask you to bring everything else with you. I think it's disgusting the rubbish people leave behind them for no good reason, indicitive of the pure laziness that is afflicting society nowadays.Ah, so is there anything else they'd like me to do since I only paid so little..? Refuel the plane when it lands? Take off my own luggage? I mean that would do away with labour and rid them of baggage handling disputes....sure why don't we all pitch in and try to get the plane turned around in 10 minutes while we're at it saving time and money...?
It is unprofessional. It is also unacceptable for some passengers, potentially a lot who have paid in the mid hundreds for the flight anyway. If they cannot provide the flight with any crumb of professional behaviour, then I will pay over the odds for someone who will. I am not looking to be treated like kings, I am looking to be simply respected for at least most steps for longer than until I click 'Pay'. For the people in such circumstances that Ryanair provides the only option, I feel sorry for your misfortune.
The above is all opinion and based on personal experience. Unless stated otherwise it is not a dig at anybody, well probably none of you lot.
Ha ha, jokers.
Passenger jet lands in wrong place Mar 29 2006
A pilot was questioned after he landed his passenger jet in a military airbase by mistake.
Thirty-nine passengers and six crew were on board a Ryanair flight from Liverpool which was due to touch down at City of Derry airport in Northern Ireland.
But it came down at neighbouring Ballykelly air field - five miles short of its intended destination.
Passengers and their luggage were taken off, leaving the jet grounded on the orders of aviation authorities who demanded an immediate investigation.
Ryanair confirmed the Airbus A320 plane had landed at the military base mistakenly.
The above is all opinion and based on personal experience. Unless stated otherwise it is not a dig at anybody, well probably none of you lot.
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