Decent read alright but don't think the chant is rascist. Offensive certainly but if I was a Spurs fan I'd hate Campbell too
anyone see this in today's (wed) guardian
http://sport.guardian.co.uk/columnis...704757,00.html
really worth a read, if, perhaps, not a comment on the specifics
careful now, libels etc ... down with that sort of thing
Decent read alright but don't think the chant is rascist. Offensive certainly but if I was a Spurs fan I'd hate Campbell too
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The reference to hanging from a tree is clearly a reference to the lynching of blacks in the Deep South, and therefore racist. It was certainly a chant that pushed the envelope of acceptable behaviour. Its a big question though, where do you draw the line?
Thats a good article. There certainly is something worrying Sol and its a shame cause he's a great player and its really putting him off his game. Football fans in Britain can be very prejudiced and to be homophobic seems acceptible when really its every bit as bad as racism.
Its not nice but no one ever said football chants were nice anyway. Campbell left his contract expire & then signed for biggest rivals. Spurs fans are always going to single him out.Originally Posted by Dodge
Yeah but there is singling out in a clever and funny manner, and there is that kind of bollicks. Its just plain disgusting.
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Have to say I hated the article and thought there was nothing wrong with the chant. Hattenstone is consistently the worst columnist on the Guardian's sports pages.
He represents the smug, middle-class tossers who've taken over the game. His use of the fictional "Bob" to back up his argument was pathetic. "Bob's a lad and even he was shocked!"
He even stooped to the "what about the kids" argument beloved of people who know nothing about football. It's also known as the Tommy Gorman argument.
From the worst to the best, here's yesterday's column by David Conn about the blatant corruption and greed at Newcastle United.
http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...704798,00.html
This is important stuff unlike the complete irrelevancy about whatever chants the Spurs fans are aiming at Sol Campbell.
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So you are saying there is Nothing wrong with racist and homophobic chants.
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I don't consider it to be homophobic and it's certainly not racist. It is funny though, which I thought was the point.
As I pointed out in my previous post, there are huge problems with the game in England - gangsters running clubs, grassroots frozen out, a whole new generation lost to the game, the list goes on. Why bother wasting time over a chant aimed at a spoilt, treachourous multi-millionaire footballer?
It's the new fans like Hattenstone who would rather focus on chanting and other fan-related issues when the actual problems are in the boardrooms, Soho Square and Downing St. Very convenient for the Freddie Shepherds and Brian Barwicks of this world.
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The HIV remark is certainly in regards to the suggestions that Sol Campbell is gay.
Racism and homophobia should not be accepted in any circumstances.
Expect nothing less from certain sections of Spurs support - their the same ones waiting for us each year on the seven sisters road.
He honoured his contract in full and then sought out better money and success, far from a lynching crime. His move across London has been more than justified in medals, something that's deemed accectable when someone moves from West Brom to United etc but lost on Spurs fans who actually still hold on to the notion that they are the biggest club in London on the verge of greatness.
Of course their entitled to hate him for signing for the rivals, no problems there but the mannor in which they have gone about it is not for the first time disgraceful.
Sol has consistantly shown the man he is when dealing with them - even refusing to celebrate Arsenal's unbeaten campaign on the pitch at White Hart Lane until all the fans were gone. I don't think I could have given them that grace.
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I think every club has their scum element and this is another example of it. I condemn these songs totally just like I would condemn any anti jewish songs sung at Spurs.
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I think the HIV remark and the Hanging from the Tress are in the song as homophobic and racist references.I don't consider it to be homophobic and it's certainly not racist. It is funny though, which I thought was the point.
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why is a referance to HIV homophobic?
very ignorant and (ironically enough) homophobic remark there NeilMcD!!!
I would agree with this in the case of obvious anti-jew chants however it is a slightly different scenario given the fact that Spurs fans themselves claim to be part of 'Martin Jol's yid army' and insert the word into 90% of their songs. The word in itself is obviously offensive but is being used by themselves to support & describe their team who are far from representative of the jewish community. This debate comes up often in arsenal fanzines considering that Arsenal themselves have a jewish and multi-cultured fan base. Some are against it totally and other including jewish fans don't see the co-relation between Spurs calling themselves the yid army with the jewish faith.
I suppose to use a dodgy analagy, it's like an Irish man going around telling everyone he's a 'paddy' and singing about being a 'paddy' and then getting offended when someone calls him paddy.
Just like at Arsenal there's fans at Tottenham who would find it offensive and others who don't and actively encourage the use of the word and they are from what I've witnessed and heard with my own ears in the majority. Spurs themselves as a club don't endorse that term or phrase as far as I'm aware.
I think it's a big jump from this to what I've read up above about Sol Campbell.
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Taken at face value its not, but if you knwo other chants by the same fans then it is a homophobic song. Taken literally and out of context it is not a homophobic song but I happen to know the background to this as do a lot of people.
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Fair enough Karlos it was simply the Yid Army, but hissing to the sound of gas showers or Nazi salutes by oppositions goalkeepers have both taken place at White Hart Lane. All I am saying is no club is totally clean on this and no club is toally dirty on this issue. All clubs have their element of racists and scumbags and they need to be eradicated from the ground.
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well the point I was tryin to make is that it is easy to find offence in most anything if you want to. how do we know hanging from a tree is a racist referance? have you ever seen the spurs team??? sounds like some oxbridge journo over analysing.
I'm not doubting that Neill and I do agree, any of the other stuff that is openly anti-jewish should not happen, simple and in my eyes the use of the word 'yid' should be removed from both the home and away fans chants at WHL. I have noticed it's use at Highbury has been significantly reduced over the last few years thanks to some excellent stewarding.
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Well I've seen them hang burning effigy's of Sol Campbell on more than one occaission and while it mightn't be of racist motivation it does feel that way. It's pretty horific to witness and the songs indicate a desire to see the man dead. Not a pleasant picture and totally different from a humourous bit of banter signing.
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