Originally Posted by KarlosIRL
I am sure you could find incidents of Arsenal fans acting terribly also.
No my weak spot is much lower than my brain
I am sure you could find incidents of Arsenal fans acting terribly also.
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"lies made baby jesus cry"......yes neil "todd flanders" mcD....
I already said spurs were not good enough to get into europe .
Another ignorant quote as spurs easily qualified for Europe. They qualified about 3 games ago when they drew with Arsenal. That was the first time in 22 years I think that they qualified through the league for Europe. Of course they would have done so in 1987 if English clubs were not banned from Europe.
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Firstly I apologise, I wasn't inferring you were quoting journo's. It does read like that but that wasn't my point. Was highlighting why 'I' never quote journo's.
I appreciate that you were only posting up the views of others. Tylsdly if i remeber correctly did make a claim that Wenger refused to shake Jol's hand. Had he used the quote from Jol he could have shown everyone that this was not the case. It was incredibly inaccurate reporting (even as an opinion piece) and in my opinion is as bad factually as this peice with little or no substance about Spurs.
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I'm sure I could find them but the fact is I've never witnessed any. Every club has a scum element. I've been 100 times more often to Arsenal than I have to White Hart Lane yet I've come across more trouble on 3 visits to the Lane and one to Old Trafford against Spurs than all those other. That's a fact & hence why I don't like Spurs.
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yeah cause the UEFA cup is where its at baby! enjoy watching them great games against the cream of eastern european football! not good enough to finish in the top 4. FACT!
Yeah I agree with you there Karlos but there is a slight difference in an opinion piece rather than a news piece where someone is supposed to be reporting on news as fact. As an opinion piece he is entitled to use quotes as he likes. We then as the reader can make a judgement call on whether we like his opinion or not. Whereas on a news piece there should be no opinion and it should just be the reporting of facts.
In relation to Arsenal and Spurs fans. I do believe because you are an Arsenal fan walking away from a derby match you are more likely to see Spurs fans acting up then you are to see Arsenal fans acting up. Fans usually behave terribly to rival fans. Therefore you are more likely to see incidents of the Spurs fans causing trouble. If you went in a spurs jersey you would be likely to see the opposite of what you saw.
My view is that there is a scum element in all clubs in England which is hiddent away and not reported by the media. Spurs are no different to Arsenal or to Man Utd or LIverpool in this regard.
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I never said it was a great competition and I probably wont watch the games to be honest unles there are a few Irish players playing in it. You said they would not qualify for Europe you were clearly wrong!!!. You have now changed your post to say finish in the top 4. That is not what you said though. Fact.
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Lads this is getting riduculous.
I agree with Klein in that Arsenal should be aiming higher but in the context of the local rivalry, Sunday was fascinating I thought.
As a lifelong Arsenal fan, though Ireland comes first by a long way, and being from Ireland I can't get involved in the local rivalry thing as much as, well, the locals. Doesn't stop me appreciating it though. As it happens I like to see the Irish at Spurs do well, but it wouldn't ever stop me supporting Arsenal over them or any English club team, just because of that angle.
By the way, The Telegraph is suggesting that Daniel Levy is petitioning the Premiership club chairmen to have the game replayed. They also suggest that Asian betting may be a motive for sabotage.
Technical / medical question: how exactly does one go about contaminating food (or the air) with the virus in question? Seriously, can it be done so precisely? I remember the All Blacks complained of the same thing prior to the '95 WC Final in Sth Africa.
Also, my own personal experience of food poisoning is that you can't even stand up while you have it, let alone play football.
I'm not saying there wasn't other content; I'm just saying you were whinging. The quotes I gave prove it.A stray cat could pick out 4 lines of text from my 20 something posts on this & convieniently leave out every single quote I used. Profoundly logical, eh?
After going to all the effort of actually finding my posts, it's a pity you ignored 99.9% of the actual content.
If your selective use of quotes to highlight my lack of 'logical argumentation' is the benchmark for 'logical' debating, then there's something really really wrong.
Maybe the 3 bottles of wine added to the effect.
Harder to prove a negative than a positive. ALL Blacks had strong suspicions (the water bottles, I think) but couldn't prove that it was sabotage.By the way, The Telegraph is suggesting that Daniel Levy is petitioning the Premiership club chairmen to have the game replayed. They also suggest that Asian betting may be a motive for sabotage.
Technical / medical question: how exactly does one go about contaminating food (or the air) with the virus in question? Seriously, can it be done so precisely? I remember the All Blacks complained of the same thing prior to the '95 WC Final in Sth Africa.
Spurs case might have been helped if they were dropping down all over the pitch and being carried of by stretcher. It's just one of those freaky things, though it wouldn't happen to a team under Brian Kerr's meticilous management
I watched the two Middlesbrough 2nd leg comebacks in the UEFA cup, better than any CL game I saw this year.
Mr Dave Richards
Chairman
The FA Premier League,
30 Gloucester Place
London
W1U 8PL
9 May 2006
Dear Dave
Re: Protest and request for the match between West Ham United and Tottenham Hotspur FC on 7/5/06 to be replayed
As you are aware, Sunday could have been a momentous day for our Club and our fans. It was the first time since the inception of the UEFA Champions League that we were in a position to qualify for European club football’s most prestigious competition. After such a successful League campaign, the excitement and expectation of our fans was simply enormous. Our match at West Ham was effectively a Cup Final.
However, we believe that our chances of success were significantly reduced by the exceptional circumstances brought about by the sudden illness of the majority of players in our First Team squad in the early hours of Sunday morning. In being given no viable option to postpone the match other than a 2-hour delay to kick-off, our players were denied the possible opportunity of competing in the Champions League, while our fans have been left with a sense of suspicion and injustice at the way subsequent events unfolded.
We contacted the FAPL early on Sunday morning and, after a series of conversations, the FAPL called for the England Team Doctor and the FAPL Company Secretary to attend our Team Hotel to assess the situation. We believed that the FAPL were examining the situation in good faith and were seeking to obtain all relevant information before coming to a decision. Indeed, in those early conversations the FAPL’s Chief Executive had given us every reason to believe the match could be postponed to allow our players some extra time to recover from a lack of sleep, vomiting, diarrhoea and dehydration.
At this time, myself, Board members and other key decision makers joined the players at their hotel. Whilst waiting for the opinion of the England Team Doctor, who was yet to arrive at our Team Hotel, I was contacted from a distance by the FAPL and told that we had to play the game that day or suffer the consequences. This, by implication, may have meant a significant loss of points and the denial of participation in any European competition – a situation I could not sanction. This threat was made by the FAPL despite the fact that West Ham United, acting honourably and fairly as would be expected from that club, had consented to the postponement of the match provided that any re-match did not interfere with their FA Cup Final preparations.
The FAPL’s Chief Executive then said he would consider the match being delayed to later on Sunday evening, but unfortunately the Police would not sanction a kick off time beyond 5pm. Our medical staff advised that a delay of at least 3 hours would be necessary to have any impact on the players and therefore it was Martin Jol’s view that, in the absence of a postponement or a much later kick-off, we had no choice whatsoever but to proceed to play at 3pm. What puzzles us is why the FAPL were prepared to sanction a 4 hour delay but not a 24 hour delay. If the integrity of all matches kicking off at the same time was your primary concern, why sanction a delay of any kind?
Our next issue was team selection. Martin Jol and his staff, having originally selected their squad of 17 players for the match, were then left in the invidious position of choosing between starting the match with their original 17 players, 10 of whom were feeling very unwell, or drafting in Reserve Team players, the majority of whom have not played for the First Team this season or are untried and untested at First Team level. In any case, having ended their season, our Reserve Team players were scattered across various parts of London and the South East, would not have been prepared to play in a Premier League (or any other) match at such short notice and would rarely, if ever, have played together.
This was an impossible position for our coaching staff to find themselves in on the morning of what was our most important match for many years. Playing a make-shift, inexperienced and ill-prepared team in such a high profile game could have turned the match into a farce, resulting in an embarrassment for the players, the coaches, the Club, our fans and the Premier League competition as a whole.
To add insult to injury, the FAPL’s announcement that our game would not be postponed was made live on Sky TV from the pitch side at Highbury. In light of the obvious sensitivities and the competition for 4th place between Arsenal and Spurs this was, to say the least, an unfortunate choice.
We simply do not understand why the FAPL failed to appraise itself of all of the facts before turning down our request that the fixture be postponed under rule E 13.4. We were surprised that the FAPL’s Chief Executive did not make the short journey from Highbury to the Team Hotel at Canary Wharf to assess such a serious issue first hand. We also fail to understand why the England Team Doctor, having been sent to the Team Hotel, was not even consulted before an announcement was made (in fact, he did not even arrive at our hotel before the decision was made or even before our players had to leave the Team Hotel to travel to Upton Park for the match). As a result we played the game with players who were unwell but who were desperate not to let their fans and colleagues down. Clearly, our governing body put us in an impossible situation and gave a significant advantage to Arsenal in competing for that 4th position.
With this in mind we contacted those Premier League Chairmen and Chief Executives we were able to locate to establish what fellow members feel is an appropriate way forward given the unorthodox decision made by the FAPL prior to receiving objective information on the situation. We now have confirmation from a majority of Premier League clubs that they would support a replay and in similar circumstances would expect the game to have been postponed. This is a gesture made by fellow clubs which supports the Charter’s aims of running a professional league in a manner in which all of its member Clubs are treated equally and in a professional, fair and objective way. Additionally, from comments made by Sepp Blatter in the media in the past 24 hours, even FIFA would support the idea of a postponement provided the match was played on or before 15 May 2006.
We therefore formally request that you order that the game be replayed.
It is regrettable that we have been put in this position, but we feel let down by the FAPL’s abdication of its responsibility to consider the request for a postponement fairly and after due consideration of all relevant factors. Where such significant commercial and competitive interests are jeopardised it is only reasonable that our governing body ensures we play on a level playing field and supports us by making decisions based on the facts of the situation which has to include all relevant information. We feel sure that the FAPL, along with most reasonable minded people, would not have wanted such a controversial outcome to the final day of the Premier League season. Furthermore, the FAPL was inconsistent in its approach in being prepared to consider the kick-off to be delayed but not allowing the match to be played on a different day.
Finally, whilst our primary concern here is for our own Club, the situation we find ourselves in highlights what could have been an even bigger issue for a Club facing relegation from the FAPL. Similarly, it is hard to believe that, faced with an identical issue on the morning of a Champions League Final, a club would not seek a postponement (with the opposing team consenting) and that, given the importance of such an occasion, such a request would not be granted by UEFA in the interests of fairness and good sporting practice. In our view, and regardless of the outcome of our case, the FAPL’s decision making process and lines of communication in such a situation need thorough and urgent review in order to ensure that no other club is similarly disadvantaged in the future.
Yours sincerely
DANIEL LEVY
Chairman of Tottenham Hotspur
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Dear Dave,
As you know Sunday could have been a momentous day for Spurs. Instead, we shat ourselves and lost.
Yours, Daniel.
Arsenal should ask to replay the WBA away game, or any others they'd like to have replayed.
Actually on reading the letter in full, I really think the reference to SKY's announcement from the Highbury touchline is totally irrelevant and lacks in dignity. He does make some fair points though, not least about the England Team Doctor not being consulted despite being summoned.
Last edited by Stuttgart88; 09/05/2006 at 4:12 PM.
didnt the Ireland team get beat twice by namibia in the rugby one time due to food poisoning? great article about it in tribune one time by Neil Francis. Very funny. You cant be much of a fan of Spurs Neill if you wont watch their UEFA cup games seeing it is their first time in europe for so long? what if they were to play shels? they have a couple of Irish internationals on their teamNo doubt you would have been down in your local watering hole with your spanking new spurs jersey on if it was the champions league! Irish people are so silly when it comes to their football. was the last time they played in europe the time they won uefa cup?
anyway given the season is over and the all important 4th and 5th place that every ambitious team aims for has been decided is it not time this thread was put out of its misery............????
I knowl I am not much of a spurs fan dont pretend to be either. I am an Ireland fan first and foremost and then a football supporter after. that. I have seen Shels Bohs and Pats in Europe. Also its the first time they are in Europe since 1999 but its the first time they have qualified through the league for Europe since 1982/83. They won the Uefa Cup in 1984. Any Irish team that plays in Europe I would cheer for ahead of a foreign club. If Shels Bohs, Cork Derry played Spurs in Europe I would cheer for the Irish team. I dont own any spurs jerseys that fit me.
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To be fair Stuttgart I think its a pretty serious thing when a group of players all get food poisoning and no other guests at the hotel got food poisoning. Its not a nice experience and I dont think Spurs performance was anything to do with nerves etc. If you saw the game you would see that Dawson Keane Carrick and Lennon all looked terrible and liked they had just seen a ghost. The Pro Zone stats are there to prove it had a huge effect on Spurs performance.
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Was only taking the p1ss Neil.
Anyway, Spurs did have one fully fit player doing everything to help them win: Teddy Sheringham
Gonzo you have missed the point entirely. YOu could not provide any quotes to support your claim. It was just speculation. Just cause the speculation turns out to be what happens does not make it any more that pure speculation at the time. I wait for words from the horses mouth or in this case a letter from Daniel Levy. When that happened I put it up on the thread. You on the other had were prepared to go by a reporter in the Independent that was saying that spurs were going to ask for it to be replayed but he had no quotes to back it up.
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