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[hamish]

Anyone see The Late Late Show segment tonight about this??

[Condex]

Originally Posted by Condex
Not much chance of you adopting a separate identity if you were living in an Islamic country....

What's that a reference to, access to the internet?

Its a reference to : you don't see many Christians out protesting on the streets in Islamic countries because they are treated like cr*p, no, they keep their heads down because if they didn't, it could cost them their lives.

While is western Europe they use our tolerance,to propogate their fascist religion...

a few years ago I spoke to Indian and he described Islam as the devils religion with which there could be no debate...

[Condex]

for a man who emigrated you are a disgrace.

if an englishman said that to you when you first landed in london what would you have said?

Immigrants not integrating has its consequences, causing fractured societies,
eg Northern Ireland, a very good program last night on Channel4...

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Kenan Malik explores his belief that many of the multiculturalist social policies which sought to improve community relations have instead helped to foster inter-ethnic tension.
http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/T/30minutes/
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[Hither green]

This is a joke a right ? You really need to read a book about the history of Serbia, Bulgaria or pretty much anywhere in Eastern Europe if you think things were absolutely fine.

I mean things were just a ball for the East Timorese weren't they

I can't believe how naive that statement is... havent you heard of the Armenian Genocide ? Do you really think Egyptian Copts have had an "absolutely fine" time ??

Except the original point wasn’t about atrocities being carried out in Islamic countries or even carried out in the name of Islam, that’s not under question. You don’t have to go as far as East Timor to prove that dreadful acts have been carried out in Islamic countries and in the name of Islam, just like dreadful acts have been carried out in Christian countries and in the name of Christ. Perhaps you need to re-read the string! The point was refuting the notion that it would inevitably have been terrible had the "history of the world turned out differently and made them the dominant race". Sure sh1t happens, it happens in Islamic countries, it happens in Christian countries, it happens in Jewish countries, it happens in entirely secular countries.

[Hither green]

Its a reference to : you don't see many Christians out protesting on the streets in Islamic countries because they are treated like cr*p, no, they keep their heads down because if they didn't, it could cost them their lives.

And that's obviously because of Islam, not because of the nature of those regimes. You don't see many people out protesting in China or Zimbabwe either, the latter being a Christian country and the former secular.

a few years ago I spoke to Indian and he described Islam as the devils religion with which there could be no debate...

And he wouldn't have been biased at all? But I mustn't be negative, I think it generous of you to speak with someone of a different religion at all.

to propogate their fascist religion...

I think that says it all really, and ends my involvement in this discussion, sorry did I say discussion I meant invective.

[hamish]

Interesting article in the Los Angeles Times - particularly the second last paragraph

Full story
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...mment-opinions

That paragraph
"Some Muslims may say that public opinion does not matter when it comes to Islam. Yet if one examines the life of the prophet Muhammad, one would conclude that he carefully considered public opinion. When he negotiated a treaty with Arabs who were at war with him, he did not insist that his title as "prophet" be placed in the document (this act horrified his companions, to the point where they thought it was sacrilege). Instead, he had his name written as simply Muhammad, the son of Abdulla. This placated his enemy and was essential to successfully concluding the treaty, which gave the Muslims an extended period of peace that allowed them to publicize Islam. In fact, the opportunity the treaty created may be responsible for Islam's existence"

It was written by a Muslim BTW.

[Condex]

Good article!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020901434.html

[Tired&Emotional]

Anyone see The Late Late Show segment tonight about this??

Yep, I was with Ian O'Doherty & John Waters on this one. Both made very good points not least of which was the fact that this isn't a race issue by definition (for obvious reasons) but Muslims are trying to turn this into one. it is a issue with faith not race ...Roverstillidie take note!

a few points:t&e, some of this garbage is borderline racist.

[Roverstillidie]

Yep, I was with Ian O'Doherty & John Waters on this one. Both made very good points not least of which was the fact that this isn't a race issue by definition (for obvious reasons) but Muslims are trying to turn this into one. it is a issue with faith not race ...Roverstillidie take note!

no, its an issue about generalising all adherants to a faith as terrorists and using imagery designed specifically to offend to achieve this. that is racist. and then hiding behind free speech to do so. despite refusing to publish cartoons offensive to christians 3 months previously.

[anto1208]

i seen the late late show allright , pretty good stuff ian o D . is very good i normally think he is a bit of a "moan for the sake of moaning " kinda guy but he was spot on on everything he said .

i was really annoyed by the irish musilim women in the crowd .

[jebus]

Isn’t there some racial purity website where you’d feel more at home?

So you've resorted to trying to paint a person who disagrees with you in a racist light, how very New Labour of you.

(Nice save there).

Wasn't a save, just a belief

How can you have racism towards the western world, as we're not a single race, or are you just lumping us together like that because it's then easier to differentiate "them" from "us"?

Really cause I could have sworn that I've heard at least a hundred Muslim fanatics in the media in the past fiveish years talking endlessly about 'the West' and how 'the West' is corrupt, so I'm just quoting "them", and I believe it is you who is doing the differentiation between "us" and "them", since I haven't once talked about Muslims as a whole, just the rioting ones, who I still believe to be savages. I would also think this of any Christian who did similar in response to a negative depiction of Christ, and I still do think that of other mindless thugs, such as the IRA, ETA, UVF and the American government ( ). Oh and nice use of the "", could've worked if we were having this argument in "1994". So don't try to be smart, it doesn't suit.

[Roverstillidie]

jebus, not one word of that makes sense. try re-articulating yourself sober.

[Block G Raptor]

i was really annoyed by the irish musilim women in the crowd .

Yep! they came across as weak minded easily led insecure women who had quite obviously married into Islam / been brain washed by their husbands !

[hamish]

Yep! they came across as weak minded easily led insecure women who had quite obviously married into Islam / been brain washed by their husbands !

Is that usual for Muslims to say "peace be upon him" after they say Mohammed??? It reminds me of auld wans in my past doing something similar when the pope, Jesus, God, John F. Kennedy etc names were mentioned. Talk about brainwashed BGR. Can't remember exactly what they intoned but it involved blessing themselves incessantly and having an awful fearful look on their faces.

[anto1208]

anyone listening to the last word last night after mary mc's trip to saudi had some irish musilim on it mat kept at him about womens rights ,the guy was trying to say we are allways going on about choice in this country but when a muslim woman chooses to wear a head scarf we cant accept it ....followed up by if a woman leaves the house with out a scarf she'll be arrested!!.... great choice there wear it or get arrested .

mat asked him where men and women equal he tried to get around it by saying they had different roles but mat kept pushing him untill he came out and said women are here to serve men ..........

might get an ould copy of the koran later

[jebus]

jebus, not one word of that makes sense. try re-articulating yourself sober.

considering I was addressing Hither Green I'm not too sure it was intended to make sense to you

[John83]

Is that usual for Muslims to say "peace be upon him" after they say Mohammed??? It reminds me of auld wans in my past doing something similar when the pope, Jesus, God, John F. Kennedy etc names were mentioned. Talk about brainwashed BGR. Can't remember exactly what they intoned but it involved blessing themselves incessantly and having an awful fearful look on their faces.

Yes. You often see abbreviated in text as PBUH, sometimes in brackets. It seems odd, but frankly, what harm? I've heard many an ould one (my granny's age group really) use "God rest him" - when mentioning a dead person - every bit as reflexively.

[hamish]

Yes. You often see abbreviated in text as PBUH, sometimes in brackets. It seems odd, but frankly, what harm? I've heard many an ould one (my granny's age group really) use "God rest him" - when mentioning a dead person - every bit as reflexively.

What would I do without ya John83.
Yep - "reflexively" - perfect word for what I was referring to...

[CollegeTillIDie]

sir hamish and everyone else

This is my first posting on this topic. What people have missed in this whole issue is the nature of philosophical thought underpinning the three religions and how long these take to evolve into something mature in tolerant.
JUDAISM... According to their Calender 57hundred and something
CHRISTIANITY It is 2006 according the calendar we use.
ISLAM It is not even 1500 in their time frame.

Question what were the Jewish and Christians up to at 1500 in their respective time frames?

Having said that the reaction of the Islamic radicals is over the top akin to The Anti-Abortionists firebombing and killing doctors!

The Harryville Church boycott, and protest outside the school in Belfast are on a par with that as is The Seventh Day Observance societies opposition to sportsfields being used on Sundays. But at least nobody dies if you can't use a sportsfield

[Block G Raptor]

But at least nobody dies if you can't use a sportsfield

I dont know...try telling rovers fans they can't have tallaght !!