Quotebecause it puts Rovers behind UCD. any longer profile we would be better, and the artcle was a stitch up of the hoops.Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
the man doesnt like us and never misses a chance to put the boot in
We know damn well what division we're in and have budgeted accordingly. We have accepted it with no complaints and will get on with it.
McDermott's article is nonsense and should be treated accordingly.
KOH
because it puts Rovers behind UCD. any longer profile we would be better, and the artcle was a stitch up of the hoops.
the man doesnt like us and never misses a chance to put the boot in
The beauty pageant analogy is good, but his logic for ranking the Dublin teams is deeply flawed. I'm not on a UCD witch-hunt - I don't mind them being in the Premier Division - but how could any system rate them as the third best Dublin team in recent seasons? They finished ahead of Pats last year on goal difference - the first time since 99/00 that UCD were ahead of Pats (by a point that time). In the mean-time, UCD were relegated while Pats have remained in the top flight. McDermott's ranking system is almost as subjective as Delaney's 'beauty contest'. The weighting of 1.5 for Premier games clearly isn't enough. Beating Shels (the best team over the last 3 years) is more than one and a half times harder than beating Monaghan (no offence). So in order for him to make a point, he has given UCD a big advantage by counting their wins from the 2004 promotion season while Pats were struggling, but surviving in the top division. I presume everyone agrees that Pats have been more successful than UCD in recent years. After that, you can argue about UCD v Rovers and the foolishness of a cap on the number of Dublin clubs.
Yet another stupid way working out teams in the new league. Regardless of who's in or out, the only way to work it out is on the previous year's league standings. It does look like a way to have a go at Rovers to me BTW.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
Nope - finished ahead of them by four goals in 2002/03.
such a stupid idea to limit the number of dublin teams, that doesn't mean that supporters of the non top4 clubs will start supporting the top 4. the idea of delaney's plans is to help the league grow&if this means, 5 years down the line, we have 7 dublin teams out of a ten team premier league getting massive attendances i'll accept it
"Even if the sun ceases to rise, Even if the sea ceases to flow, Even if the wind stops to blow, The name of Sligo Rovers will shine and shine forever like the morning, glinting star in the sky."
Well ok, if a club in dublin like UCD can make the grade for the priemer division with stadium etc then fine, let them in.
However I dont think we really need 6 Dublin clubs. If all clubs are to remain then only 4 should be allowed into the priemer division for the good of the league.
Which of the 4 clubs get to make the grade has to be based as closely on UEFA standards and not the funny world of McDermott's.
The indo hasnt written a decent article on soccer in a long time. It has went to the dogs and so has McDermott the fool. His writing is sloppy and drunken like. He contradicts himself week in week out and is nothin short of a pathetic lazy journo.
Last edited by thejollyrodger; 03/02/2006 at 5:48 PM.
UCD and Dublin are probablt the weaker teams in Dublin, with UCD having plenty of potential though.
The worrying thing for me is that this excuse of a journo is on very favourable terms with Delaney so this idea may well have come from the fai
You think the FAI would be looking for reasons to save UCD particularly at the expense of Rovers?
How about a rota basis? Two years in, one out?
Why would you replace two teams with worse ones for the good of the league?
for a regional balance, I would go for
Shelbourne F.C
Bohemians F.C
Shamrock Rovers
Drogheda Utd
Cork City
Derry City
Sligo Rovers
Galway United
Waterford United
Finn Harps
Of course the Dublin clubs are going to be the strongest but with FAI and government backing some of the smaller clubs can develop.
**** idea.
as for dublin overload aargument. 1/3 of the population of the state lives in Dublin.so thats going to have a huge effect on how the major clubs are distributed in the EL
add in limerick and longford/athlone for a twelve team premier and i think youve predicted exactly what delaney and co area trying to achieve, wherher you agree with that or not is another matter...
arent we all just magic little monkeys...
No, No, No.Don't lets get sucked into this debate at all. Here's an idea of how it should work. Football is played over ninety minutes , on a pitch, and the team who scores the most goals wins the game. If both teams score the same amount of goals they share the points. Over a period of time, say nine months, the teams who win the most games and gain the most points are judged the most successful, and are rewarded with titles, european places etc. The teams with the least amount of points are demoted and replaced by the most successful teams from a lower division. They then have the chance to gain re-entry into the top league by winning the lower league the following season. Does that sound like a plan ?
So, to be regionally balanced, there'd be three Dublin clubs, one in Tallaght (hopefully soon), and then two clubs on the Northside playing out of the one stadium, leeching any possible chance of a financially supporting fan-base out of each other. Good idea. That way with two 10,000 seat stadia we could easily accommodate for a 1.5million population. Nice one. Can you be in charge please. Or are you already?
Nice idea TonyD but I can't see it catching on...No, No, No.
yep, to properly regionalise it you would have to drop Shels or Bohs & take in Bray (or UCD)
Anyway . . . I'd be in favour of a 'franchising' idea - where there would be 5 places available in Dublin (North City;SouthCity;Fingal;SouthDublinCoCo;& DunLaoghaireRathdown) Give the clubs 12-24 months to get their houses in order & bid for any of the franchises (& criteria would have to include the club's existing catchment area, so you would be less likely to see UCD getting the Fingal franchise or whatever)
well, if I were the FAI i would divide dublin up into north and south and then have divide north dublin and south Dublin into two. Thats the four clubs sorted.
The four clubs may well be playing out of Tallaght and maybe Dalyer (abbotstown my perference) with the remainder dublin clubs either amalagnated or confined to the lower division.
Not nice for all concerned but I think thats what Delaney might be trying.
Personally I would like to see two 20,000 all seater stadia in dublin for the groundshares in Tallaght and Dalyer. However 10,000 might have suffice initally with expansion on the cards if crowds increase.
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