Quoteof which elliott is so there we go frees a spot up for trundle ..Originally Posted by pete
Keane, Morrison, Doyle & Elliot are clearly the best 4 options currently. For Trundle to be even considered one of those would have to be injured.
of which elliott is so there we go frees a spot up for trundle ..
trundle has scored more goals than elliot and doyle in his career, is a better footballer than both of them and is also more experienced than the two of them. He, at this moment in time deserves a chance as a result of his goalscoring exploits, i would like to hear what maes elliot and doyle 'clearly' better options. When you think this through, they are far from better options, they are however, good young players with potential.
well after sticking up for trundle and wanting them in the squad I think elliott and doyle are obviously ahead of him ... doyle has been brilliant in a table topping championship team and elliott did it last season for sunderland and scored for ireland already so they are ahead in that regard ..
he has more experience of lower leagues than they other two but none of any form of international football unlike the other two at full and u21 level ... he is worth a shout in a friendly but not ahead of doyle or elliott in pecking order ..
I don't really know if Elliot is as good as he made out to be but both himself & Doyle had more or elss 1 goal every 2 U21 games. Doyle has also played & scored in European competition & has excelled at every level hes played at. The fact that both have good 10 years career ahead of them while Trundle is past a footballers prime makes them much better options.
I agree. Keane, Morrison, Doyle and Elliott are first choice. Elliott is just as proven as Doyle. He had as many goals this time last season as Doyle has now and has been excellent for the most part in his few Ireland caps. He was also performing very well this season before injury.
Not necessarily... Doyle and Elliot are interchangable and if either were out of a squad I'd Imagine Wavey Davey Connolly would be in... I'd consider Trundle as an alternative to Morrison.... Who, by the way, has unfairly been discarded by many on this board.
The thing is though would Keane and one from Doyle or Elliot form a worthy partnership at international level? I mean it begs the same questions Martin Jols been asking about a Keane Defoe partnership. For me at the minute the best Doyle/Elliot can hope for in an Ireland shirt is as an Impact Sub or replacement for Keane either through absence or direct substitution.
Doyle is as physical as Morrison who is not a "target man". Doyle isn't a striker but allround forward. Elliot only scored maybe 12 goals in the Championship last season in what is exceptionally crap team so i don't know if he that good yet. 1 performance against the Faroes doesn't prove much...
dont forget his goal in cyrpus as well .. and he scored 15 goals last season as well ... when played up front this season for sunderland he has looked the part ... just his back injury is very worrying ...
We haven't had a target man since Quinn and I never claimed that Morrison was one. He's bigger that Doyle, full stop, as is Lee Trundle.
I personally don't believe you can get away with two small to average sized forwards in football unless you have the technical abillity and organisation throughout the pitch. Something we'll struggle with given the player pool we have, coupled with the limited exposure players have with each other on international football
Lets get some perspective here. I'm as optimistic as most on when it comes to Doyles progress and I sincerely hope he turns out half as good as people here seem to predict. But as of this point he's flavour of the month and has done no more than what Morrison, Elliot, Connolly have already acheived.
The thread is about Lee Trundle. Lee Trundle offers something different to what we already have. That can't be argued. Whether it's gonna improve on what options we have, can be argued and can only be resolved after a call up.
Last edited by dr_peepee; 04/02/2006 at 3:39 PM.
Swansea website player profile
Name: Lee Trundle
Nationality: English
Date of Birth: 10/10/1976
Height: 6' 0" (183cm)
Weight: 11st 6lbs (72.64kg)Name: Kevin Doyle
Nationality: Rep of Ireland
Date of Birth: 18/09/1983
Height: 5' 11" (180cm)
Weight: 12st 6lbs (79.0kg)
Position: StrikerI've never seen Trundle play as no interest in League One (Must be worse than the Championship which is bad enough) but doesn't look like target-man to me.Name: Clinton Morrison
Nationality: Rep of Ireland
Date of Birth: 14/05/1979
Height: 5' 10" (178cm)
Weight: 10st 0lbs (63.56kg)
clintons taller than that i think he is 6'1
He got 15 goals in the Championship last season and 1 in the FA cup. By this time last year he had 12 league goals and 1 FA cup goal, Doyle has 11+1 atm. Elliott only started 7 matches from this time until the end of last season too. It took Elliott until mid-September to break into the Sunderland team too. Overall he started 29 league games last season, Doyle has started 27 this season. His goalscoring ratio is better than Doyle's. He has been excellent for Sunderland in the premiership this season and played well in all his games for Ireland. I don't see how Doyle has proven himself yet Elliott hasn't.
I don't think i said that just being cautious about suggestions Elliot will cure all ills. Its just a decision to see who plays alongside Keane really & good options from Morrison (even if he is a mercenary), Elliot & Doyle.
ah get over it regard morrison .. shown in the years with us he is one of our most committed players game in game out ..
Exactly. Some of this sh!t, especially from Cork fans is getting boring at this stage. Unlike some recent Irish internationals from Cork, Clinton will give everything he has.
"Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe." Dillo
I've long ago accepted that Morrisson is an irish international & don't seek to change that but he still is a football mercenary. Hes 2nd choice forward at the moment but will lose that if spend much more time warming the Crystal Palace bench.
There's talk of Morrison going to Cardiff; don't know what happened, but this could be the start of a real decline.
hes still first choice for ireland because of what he has done for us .. Cork people in general have to be some of the most bigoted people ive met ... Mercenary my hole he has given everything for this country and its people like you that are the problem not clinton
He's really not though, I'm not sure where people got the idea that Clinton is big/bigger than our other options
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