Dalymount - share talks confirmed

**bohs til i die** · 29/01/2006, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Well Chippie, they do say everything has its price ... but in my view BFC is not in the property business.
The best option for the club is a refit of Dalymount along the lines of Drogheda's planned new stadium. If memory serves me, this isn't going to cost the earth and could come in within half, or in striking distance of it, of what is being offered for a shared Dalymount. Not ideal, but no strings, and we stay in Phibsboro, and John Delaney's pet club stays out on a limb.
Not as pretty looking at it from Limerick, I suppose, but, as Dodge says, why should they matter?
As I've said before, there is money teed up for Dalymount. If we can unlock half of it without selling our souls, then I for one would be happy.

Bohs and Shels will set up a separate company to look after the stadium

Both will pay a fee to this company for the maintenance of the stadium

A chunk of what Shels get for selling [or having already sold] the lease to Tolka will be used along with FAI funds to rebuild the ground

Shels will pay Bohs a few million for buying into Dalymount

Thats totally unfair on Bohs. We have land that could fetch anywhere from �50,000,000 to �100,000,000 based on the value of land in other parts of the D7 locality if it was sold for a move to a new location. Shels wont get anywhere near the lower figure for the lease on Tolka and that is FACT.

If Bohs [or Bohs and Shels] could get a stadium built on either the Grange or Mountjoy then it would get my support but for Shels to get 50% of Dalymount for a pittance is totally unacceptable.

We are being asked to accept a big all seater stadium as reward for giving up a potential �50,000,000 to �100,000,000 sum along with at least �350,000 [and maybe as much as �500,000] from our annual static income as it currently stands [bar, car park, tenants].

Shels are being asked to accept a move to Dalymount instead of a move to Ballymadrough, even though the Ballymadrough deal isnt really going to happen. Shels stand to gain a lot more then Bohs and that isnt right. Also the rumours suggest that both clubs will start in te new ground with similar amounts of cash in the bank.

This deal stinks

**BohDiddley** · 29/01/2006, 2:19 PM

From the Sunday Times:

Shels to profit from €20m deal

Tolka Park is expected to fetch about €20m when it is sold for residential and light industrial development, if, as is now widely expected, Shelbourne move into a ground-share with Bohemians at Dalymount Park. Sources close to the club say they are already near to reaching an agreement for the sale, with the accountant and businessman Ossie Kilkenny believed to be the intended buyer. St Pat’s are also sending out feelers about selling their ground in Inchicore. It looks increasingly likely that they will ground-share with Shamrock Rovers at their new stadium, currently under construction in Tallaght.

**anto eile** · 29/01/2006, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by Gerrit

A big NO NO NO

I like Dalymount, think it's the nicest one of the other Dublin grounds because it has so much history (and one very good stand), but it's not the spiritual home of Shels.

you havent played in your "spiritual home" in about 40 odd years. and you have no plans to ever return to it

**anto eile** · 29/01/2006, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

you obviously know nothing about Bohs financial situation with your first comments

Shels have a plan but they dont want to execute it. Bohs dont require a plan B. We have a stadium that we own.

would i be correct in saying your debt is between E1.3 and E1.8M? depending on a recent deal with the matter hospital concerning use of your connacht st car park

**anto eile** · 29/01/2006, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

From the Sunday Times:

Shels to profit from �20m deal

Tolka Park is expected to fetch about �20m when it is sold for residential and light industrial development, if, as is now widely expected, Shelbourne move into a ground-share with Bohemians at Dalymount Park. Sources close to the club say they are already near to reaching an agreement for the sale, with the accountant and businessman Ossie Kilkenny believed to be the intended buyer. St Pat�s are also sending out feelers about selling their ground in Inchicore. It looks increasingly likely that they will ground-share with Shamrock Rovers at their new stadium, currently under construction in Tallaght.

E20M for tolka? and i believe shels only get one third of that..a pittance compared to the gypos potential profit from dalymount

**sullanefc** · 29/01/2006, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by anto eile

you havent played in your "spiritual home" in about 40 odd years. and you have no plans to ever return to it

Pardon my ignorance, I'm not too up to date with EL history, but where is Shelbournes spiritual home?

**Poor Student** · 29/01/2006, 4:55 PM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Pardon my ignorance, I'm not too up to date with EL history, but where is Shelbournes spiritual home?

They're originally from Ringsend I think.

**bohs til i die** · 29/01/2006, 6:47 PM

Originally Posted by anto eile

would i be correct in saying your debt is between E1.3 and E1.8M? depending on a recent deal with the matter hospital concerning use of your connacht st car park

way out. The annual report was received by members recently and you have hugely over estimated our debts

**Slash/ED** · 29/01/2006, 7:24 PM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

If Bohs [or Bohs and Shels] could get a stadium built on either the Grange or Mountjoy then it would get my support but for Shels to get 50% of Dalymount for a pittance is totally unacceptable.

And mine, and get far more support from Shels fans in general imo. This seems a far, far better option with ultimately a better facility and both sides better off with both sets of fans happier, so why isn't it on the table?

**chippie0001** · 29/01/2006, 9:54 PM

Originally Posted by Slash/ED

And mine, and get far more support from Shels fans in general imo. This seems a far, far better option with ultimately a better facility and both sides better off with both sets of fans happier, so why isn't it on the table?

Not sure about your club, but this is the routine for Bohs, give the members only one option and hope they swallow it. This time I don't think they will though.

**Roverstillidie** · 30/01/2006, 12:14 PM

will it be rejected though. my fameous source isnt so sure, reckons it will be tight, if indeed it ever gets a members vote.

is it ever likely bohs actually would move to a greenfield site? never heard it mentioned before.

**harry crumb** · 30/01/2006, 12:16 PM

The grounds are only a mile apart as it is.

Diluting support.

The club is nearly 100 years old and you still have only 2000 regulars.

**Bald Student** · 30/01/2006, 12:18 PM

A lot of people live in a square mile in Dublin City centre. Bohs and Shels both have seperate support bases at the moment.

**Bald Student** · 30/01/2006, 12:30 PM

I do, of course. There's huge advantage here for Bohs to reject this proposal. I was responding to the suggestion that Bohs and Shel's may as well share because they're so close.

To be honest, I don't see why Pat's would want to move without being leaned on but by all accounts, Shels are moving out of Tolka.

**pete** · 30/01/2006, 4:51 PM

I don't see Bohs having any future in Dalymount. Even with best stadium facilities in DUblin crowds have struggle in last couple of years outside of title race. Its only a matter of time before Bohs move closer theri core support in Blanchardstown or Finglas.

Dalymount is worth too much for a developer (in fact similar to lansdowne the residents have choice of accepting redeveloped ground or new apartments) eventhough i would not value as much as Mountjoy. Mountjoy backs out onto the canal & would have few residential dwellers to object to development plus the Mater Hospital might be interested in expanding as its basically the sole inner city north side hospital now.

**BohDiddley** · 30/01/2006, 7:16 PM

Eeny, meeny, miney, mos/
Follow Shels or follow Bohs?

It's not supposed to be like that. It might work with Tolka teenies, but Dalymount just has history.

Anyway, if Bohs sold up and moved out of the holy ground there would be no need for sharing with Shels. A disaster in my view, but still the least worst option.

We need to think about this politically and strategically, and not just financially, in terms of where our next set of floodlights comes from. This country is awash with money.

If Bohs members told FAI and the government to fund top-flight football properly, as part of a long-term battle to win recognition for the domestic game, there would be no need for sharing with Shels. That might be a long and painful haul, but so would ground-sharing. I'd prefer to hobble along and take my chances.

Even if I philosophically accepted a partial surrender to the dark side, for the good of the club, which it's emphatically not, I'd be less inclined to haul myself down to Dalyer of a Friday evening and I'm sure others would feel the same. The magic, in all its dingy, rusting, glorious authenticity, would be gone. And I say that as a relatively recent Jodi-dweller.

All of this ground-share/league re-organization is a figment of some cheap suit's spreadsheet-driven imagination. It is entirely artificial, yet the whole discussion, both here and in the media, treats it as if it were some universal truth that Dalymount is no longer viable. People who espouse this argument are forgetting the scale of public investment in other sports and accepting sheep-like, as the FAI apparently does, that football will always be the poor relation when it comes to public investment. It's as if every time they walked up Jones's Road all they saw was blue sky.

This charade is actually an interesting exercise in political and media manoeuvring. So far, Delaney and FAI are playing a blinder, with vigorous applause from the sticks, and coverage so uncritical you'd think every hack on the case was in line for a private suite. It makes you wonder if everything else the great and good of our media firmament cover is done in such a superficial and unthinking way.