ha,you will forgive me if I dont find the above fair comment or accusing me of coming on to stir **** deliberately which afaik gets you banned. poor form really.Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I've gone back and edited the quote I used. My post was supposed to be in reference to what Neill said about me which is accurate and a fair comment and not in relation to the subsequent comment (although I do think he's referencing your inability to back your argument up with a quote more than anything). Just thought I'd clarify my last post
Last edited by Karlos; 23/01/2006 at 8:49 PM.
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You hit the nail on the head there Karlos. Quotes are have been attributed to Steve Staunton to get a point across. Yet there is no source for these quotes. How can we trust or believe the argument been put across if we have no reference point. That is what I find boring and to me comes across as more of a rant against Staunton really. There are many reason for criticising the FAI or Stauntons credential but they should be backed up by hard evidence. If that happens well then I would have no problem with the post.
As Karlos has backed up I have no problem disagreeing with people and then at a later date agreeing with that same person about a different point.
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as I said I read it in paper at weekend.
I dont really have any reason to make it up.
what would be the point? and I am not anti staunton.
sure what is there to be anti staunton about? he hasnt managed a game yet. at any level!
Well I do think you made this rubbish up as You will not find it anywhere that Staunton or Delaney have said this.
eh not really.
hes hardly going to say " we are not going to qualify"
what he is and has said is " we will try our best but it is goin to be sooooo hard cause we have to blood new players and did I mention we are only 4th seeds now, which really has nuthin to do with me and sure wasnt the previous regime responsible for letting good sons of erin like wayne rooney slip thru our fingers and declare for the brits and sure wouldnt we all really prefer to play in south africa than have to go to expensive oul switzerland...????????"
I think you will find the exact quote in last tuesdays herald. Paul Hyland exclusive if I remember correctly
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you have me there Neil!!!!
he actually said it on the Late Late show
Lets call a spade a spade. Everyone wants to qualify for the Euros. We are fourth seeds so it makes it that bit harder. I think second place automatically qualifies though. But lets wait for the draw ( on tomorrow afaik). I for one would be devastated ( again!) if we didn't qualify. However if you were to tell me we would qualify for one of the next two major tournaments I would probably take it now.
What staunton has said is not far off the mark in terms of expectations. He could have worded it better though. Instead of saying ( not direct quote) ' our ultimate aim is qualification for wc2010, but we will be trying to qualify for euros, make no mistake about that' ......he should have said something like ' our aim is to qualify for all major tournaments starting with Euros, we have a bit of re building to do and WC 2010 is the ultimate goal'
At no point has he said he is sacrificing the Euro 2008 campaign to blood players for 2010
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Maybe not, but he has a lot more leeway with the FAI to do so than Kerr did (namely a 4-year contract and an Oscar-Wilde lookalike with a big boy crush on him).
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So basically whoever Delaney appointed was going to be tarnished in your view and the views of other here as they had been Delaneys choice. The manager should not be criticised or mis-quoted (as has happened on this thread) just cause he was appointed by a CEO who looks to be pretty incompetent.
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I don't think he'll get anymore leeway than any other manager. At the end of the day, he will be judged on results. final.
so basically if he finishes outside top two he should be gotten rid of then after the euro qualifiers? if judged on results?
(and neilMcd will you give it a rest with this misquote lark already,it was obvious to anyone with half a brain it wasnt a direct quote from delaney or staunton)
Being realistic a 3rd place finish is what I think we'll be aiming for no matter who we draw tomorrow,there are gonna be 3 top teams above us and if we can finish above one of them it'll be a job well done.We don't have the players to cover the positions,if Duff,Keane,Given,Dunne get injured we are in serious trouble as seen against the Swiss when we were missing our 2 best players.
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You said it was a quote from Stuanton and Delaney so I can only go on what you said.
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well if you want to go into quotes start with the above.....best example EVER of someone practicing what they preach....
I agree with your comments here. I think 3rd place is the most relaistic aim at the moment. It will be an improvement on 4th and a step in the right direction. I feel the expectation is already been set way to high with demands of top a 2 finish. If we finish in the top 2 I'll be extremely happy but top 3 and a sign of progress should be enough to keep Stan in the job - as it was for Kerr when he took over from McCarthy (although I still maintain we should have qualified from that group regardless of the first two results but Kerr certainly deserved another campaign after it)
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3rd ,4th or last the end result is the same....seems what was unacceptable a month or so ago is now suddenly acceptable...
It was unacceptable considering the postition we were in, the players we had (e.g. Keane, Cunningham etc) and a manger that was in the job 3 years. It's a completely different scenario now, with a new boss, some new players and a fresh start. If it must be compared, then it should be against the first campaigns by Kerr & McCarthy not a campaign 3 years into their reign. It's just simple logic.
If qualification was the only issue for us then Kerr would have walked in 2003 when we were in touching distance of euro 2004 with 3 Kerr games to go regardless of what happened in the first two. The fact is despite non-qualification at that stage the team had shown improvement and he was rightly given another campaign imo.
The team however did not make any further improvement in the following campaign and in places, played worse. That's not progress in anyone's mind. As it stands now Stan takes a team that finished 3rd and then 4th into a group with 3 teams that will be stronger than us (at least on paper).
I want to see progress in the team and my expectation is that finishing 3rd would be progress although I don't believe for a second that's what we should or will aim for.
I'd have been all for keeping Kerr despite non-qualification if I honestly felt that the team had improved over the last campaign and just went out becuase luck conspired against us.
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Fair post there Karlos. I was in 2 minds about Kerr going or not but it does seem that team morale was pretty low and the performances were going down hill rather than up hill. We only had 1 got performance in all the competitive games under Kerr. So its a bit churlish to just simply say he was sacked because we did not qualify and therefore that should be the only judge of a manager from now on. As usual the evidence is in the detail with these things. I think if we have a very poor campaign for 2008 there will be pressure to remove Staunton. However if we come 3rd and are not far of 2nd and we show progress then he will be kept on just like Mc Carthy and Kerr were kept on after their 1st campaigns.
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