Why not?Originally Posted by gustavo
There's not one player in this thread I haven't heard of and this is the main forum I come to to keep up to date on these kind of players.
just wondering do people think that threads about players in the lower leagues in england should be in the national team forum? i'm not so sure.
Why not?
I see young Barry Cogan is starting to get a run out at Millwall. Apparently he had a very good game on Sat against Everton though I didn't see it.
i see your point but this is the national team forum and i'm sure most of those will never have a sniff of making it. but its just a thoughtWhy not?
It's an excellent way of keeping track of those who may make it, don't forget Steve Finnan was playing non-league football not too long ago, ditto Mark Kinsella. I think the World Football is more for topics that have little or no connection to any Irish player, whereas this forum is for any news related to Irish players, at any level.i see your point but this is the national team forum and i'm sure most of those will never have a sniff of making it. but its just a thought
There are plenty of players in the lower divisions on National U-21, Youth teams etc. Also a good few on loan from Premiership/Championship clubs too.i see your point but this is the national team forum and i'm sure most of those will never have a sniff of making it. but its just a thought
Not forgetting the likes of Nick Colgan who are actually in the senior squad.
Andrew Keogh has just scored another for S****horpe.He is only 19 and appears like a very good prospect.Hope he keeps banging them in and gets noticed by the higher divisions.
The English Independent has compiled a list of what it believes to be the top 20 players outside the Premiership. It's nice to see Doyle, Trundle, Kennedy and Garvan made the top 20. Here's the the article:
One caveat. This is not necessarily a list of the 20 best players outside the Premiership right now, rather the 20 with the greatest potential - it is more a guide for shoppers. Players over 30 have been disqualified, thus ruling out some of the Championship's best, such as David Unsworth, Inigo Idiakez and the reborn Ade Akinbiyi. Players on loan from the Premiership were also barred, otherwise Wolves' Tom Huddlestone (Tottenham), Cardiff's Jason Koumas (West Bromwich) and Stoke's Paul Gallagher (Blackburn) might well have figured"- The Independent
1: Phil Jagielka (Sheffield United)
Nationality English. Age 23. Position Midfield, defence
Value £5m
Potential buyers? Half the Premiership
Everyone agrees Phil Jagielka will be playing in the Premiership next season, the only question is: where? In an ideal world it will be in central midfield for newly promoted Sheffield United. It might, though, be right-back for Everton, or central defence for Manchester City. Such is the Under-21 international's quality and versatility. And he is beginning to add goals.
The Blades turned down £4m from Wigan in the summer but manager Neil Warnock accepts that, if they fail to go up, they cannot stand in Jagielka's way any longer. "I asked him to give me, personally, one more year," said Warnock. "I brought him through from a young lad. I told him, 'If we don't go up I'll help you get away'. He's an all-rounder, he'd play for England at tiddlywinks. He's even our stand-in goalkeeper. He's a lovely lad from a nice family. It's great when players like that do well. He's one who, when I finish, I'll watch."
Manchester-born Jagielka is United's second-longest serving player. He was 17 when Warnock gave him his debut, as a substitute on the last day of the 1999-2000 season. The next year he became a regular.
"I think central midfield is his best position, he's more involved there," said Warnock, "but even scouts who look at him can't agree on his best position. When I brought him in he lacked pace but he's now one of the quickest. I think he'd have been a good replacement for Roy Keane but top clubs look abroad these days."`
2: Andrew Johnson (Crystal Palace)
Nationality English. Age 24. Position Striker.
Value £8m
Buyers? Tottenham, Charlton, Birmingham
It is a surprise that Johnson is playing in the Championship at all. Last season he scored 21 Premiership goals and won international recognition. So, with the World Cup approaching, a move seemed certain when Palace were relegated, probably to Tottenham. But Crystal Palace stood firm for at least £10m. In the event, Johnson signed a lucrative new contract as both parties gambled on his scoring the goals to get Palace back up. Injury, however, intervened. Johnson is fit and scoring again, but must do so at a phenomenal rate or Palace will need the play-offs to go up, and Johnson will be watching the World Cup on TV.
3: Steve Sidwell (Reading)
Nationality English. Age 24. Position Midfielder.
Value £4m
Buyers? Charlton, Fulham, Arsenal
The former Arsenal trainee was voted best player in the division last season and, while not quite as dominating this, has still been a key figure in Reading's rise to the Championship pinnacle. Intelligent and industrious, he has missed few fixtures since signing for Reading nearly three years ago. Only doubt about this good passer and solid tackler is whether he has the physical presence. But he is a keen learner.
4: Theo Walcott (Southampton)
Nationality English. Age 16. Position Striker.
Value £9m
Buyers? Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool
English football's hottest teenage property. He's lightning quick, skilful and fearless. Arsenal and Spurs lead the pack of clubs drooling over every dribble. The star of Saints' FA Youth Cup runners-up, he was given his debut on the season's opening day and quickly became a regular. The only caveats are his youth, lightweight stature and finishing.
5: Cameron Jerome (Cardiff City)
Nationality English. Age 19. Position Striker.
Value £4m
Buyers? Everton, Portsmouth
Only in his second season but already turning heads. His 11 goals this season have spearheaded Cardiff's rise and won a place in the England Under-21 squad. Quick, powerful and skilful. There are doubts about his link-up play but that should develop. Those clubs who rejected him - including home-town club Huddersfield and Middlesbrough - may regret it.
6: Kevin Doyle (Reading)
Nationality Irish. Age 22. Position Striker.
Value £2.5m
Buyers? Aston Villa, Everton, Birmingham
Probably the Championship discovery of the season. A £70,000 signing from Cork City, he is the form striker with six in the last nine games. Said an envious Joe Royle: "He's mobile, quick, very fit and wants to score. To get a front-line striker for £70,000..."
7: Dean Ashton (Norwich City)
Nationality English. Age 22. Position Striker.
Value £3.5m
Buyers? Wigan, Manchester City, Everton
One of the few successes of Norwich's dismal season with 11 goals including his recent hat-trick against Southampton. Big, powerful, with a readiness to shoot. He may regret staying at Carrow Road but Ashton was brought up the right way, at Dario Gradi's Crewe, and has time, and ability on his side.
8: Kenny Miller (Wolves)
Nationality Scottish. Age 26. Position Striker.
Value £1.5m
Buyers? Everton, Birmingham, Rangers
Was 26 last week and his recent goal against Italy suggests he is peaking. Only hit two in the Premiership, but they were against Manchester United and Liverpool. A contract dispute means he may move on next month.
9: Joleon Lescott (Wolves)
Nationality English. Age 23. Position Central defence.
Value £2m
Buyers? Newcastle United, Aston Villa, Fulham
Missed Wolves' Premiership season with knee injuries but has returned strongly. Quick, powerful and elegant, he captained Wolves at 22, has Under-21 recognition, and is club player of the year.
10: Danny Webber (Sheffield Utd)
Nationality English. Age 24. Position Striker
Value £1.5m
Buyers? Everton, Sunderland, Charlton
Four years at Old Trafford without a League appearance but seems set to return with the Blades. Mobile and sharp, quick and inventive, he found his feet at Watford before a March move to Bramall Lane.
And the second half (couldn't fit it all in the one posting):
11: Lee Trundle (Swansea City)
Nationality English. Age 29. Position Striker.
Value £2m
Buyers? Birmingham, Charlton, Everton,
League One's most coveted player. A late developer who added discipline to skill after becoming a father. Now a cult hero at Swansea having followed 22 goals last season with 17 this. His weight may prove a problem but not his ability.
12: Ashley Young (Watford)
Nationality English. Age 20. Position Striker.
Value £2m
Buyers? Tottenham, Charlton, Liverpool
Originally a wide player, because of his pace and mobility, he has drifted inside this season to good effect, scoring 10 goals. Two-footed, imaginative and hard-working. His maturity is demonstrated by his being entrusted with set pieces.
13: Bobby Convey (Reading)
Nationality American. Age 22. Position Winger.
Value £1.4m
Buyers? Liverpool, Portsmouth
A peripheral figure last season as he struggled after moving from Philadelphia but has finally lived up to his reputation this campaign. Narrowly edges Leeds' Eddie Lewis as the best winger though his more experienced compatriot has the better all-round game.
14: Nigel Quashie (Southampton)
Nationality Scottish. Age 27. Position Midfielder.
Value £1.5m
Buyers? Rangers, Charlton, Portsmouth
A promising youngster, who won Under-21 and B caps for England, he lost his way after leaving QPR for Forest but has blossomed since becoming a Scottish international - through parentage - and coming under the wing of Harry Redknapp at Fratton Park and St Mary's. With Harry trading places again, Quashie is likely to leave Saints.
15: Mark Kennedy (Wolves)
Nationality Irish. Age 29. Position Midfield.
Value £1.5m
Buyers? Sunderland, Bolton, Portsmouth
He was the game's most expensive teenager when he signed for Liverpool, from Millwall, in 1995 but a certain waywardness meant he never fulfilled potential. Now, though, he has, to quote Royle, "reinvented himself". No longer a winger, this increasingly influential midfielder could yet make a Premiership return.
16: Ki-Hyeon Seol (Wolves)
Nationality South Korean. Age 26. Position Midfield/striker.
Value £2m
Buyers? Everton, West Bromwich Albion, Newcastle
Versatile, increasingly influential, and he would sell a few shirts. Player s have been bought for less. Rangy with good passing skills, he took time to settle but could yet join compatriots Lee Young-Pyo and Park Ji-Sung in the élite. Did national service in summer.
17: Matty Fryatt (Walsall)
Nationality English. Age 19. Position Striker.
Value £1m
Buyers? Birmingham City, Wolves, Preston
Fifteen goals in his debut season, 14 so far this, and still a teenager. Slender but lithe and with an eye for goal, the England youth international is unlikely to remain at the Saddlers for long.
18: Nicky Shorey (Reading)
Nationality English. Age 24. Position Left-back.
Value £1m
Buyers? Arsenal, Charlton, Newcastle
Attacking full-backs are in vogue and, if Ashley Cole does indeed leave for Real Madrid, Arsène Wenger could do worse than look to Berkshire. Athletic, skilful and consistent, the former Leyton Orient defender is also a dead-ball artist, from corners and free-kicks.
19: Boaz Myhill (Hull City)
Nationality English. Age 23. Position Goalkeeper.
Value £1m
Buyers? Charlton, Wigan, Arsenal
Big, commanding keeper who likes to dominate the area, which can lead to mistakes. They should be reduced with age. US-born but represented England at junior levels. Previously at Aston Villa. Real name - Glyn. Brave.
20: Owen Garvan (Ipswich Town)
Nationality Irish. Age 17. Position Midfielder.
Value £1.5m
Buyers? Tottenham, West Ham, Sunderland
There is a team of ex-Ipswich players in the Premiership and Garvan could be next. Made his debut this season and his composure soon impressed. A regular until injury struck, the scouts are awaiting his return. Pace the only doubt.
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