Staunton Ireland Manager?

**macdermesser** · 11/01/2006, 3:27 PM

Originally Posted by Hither green

Dalglish: They'd both be mumbling too much to make the conversation of any use at all.

Atkinson: Would you ask this man for advice?...Well would you?

Taylor: We've had enough of agricultural football thank you.

Charlton: Gone fishing.

McCarthy: I think he's a bit busy with his own problems.

Gregory: Whatever happened to John Gregory anyway... hmm?

Evans: [See under "Gregory"]

Houllier: [See under "Atkinson"]

Souness: [See under "McCarthy"]

Ah I see .. that answered my question. So better that the FAI pays 250k to the wise old English man. Sort of a variation on the theme of third world countries employing the likes of Troussier and Schaefer etc etc

I think you know what I was getting at. Staunton ought to have enough contacts in the game not for the FAI to be shelling out that sort of money in what looks to be a face-saving exercise.

Still, at least they'll recoup some of that back with the 7,500 euro corporate tickets

**Greenbod** · 11/01/2006, 3:32 PM

Originally Posted by Peadar

Everyone is blowing on about Staunton being a great motivator but motivation will count for little when he comes face to face with a disciplined team and a tactically proficient coach.

Yes, but a motivated team of averagely talented players, stands a better chance than an unmotivated team of averagely talented players. The pick of players will be the same regardless of the manager. And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

**OwlsFan** · 11/01/2006, 3:34 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Exactly. Seems like the FAI have released this to judge public reaction & are not passing out more information justifying their position based on that public reaction.

Paying Robson 250k for an "advisor" role is crazy money which i'm sure he found impossible to turn down. An advisor will have no responsibility for results so no accountability. 500k for someone coming from player-coach at walsall (i'd guess currently on alsolute maxium 250k) is also pretty clever negotiating...

For all we know Staunton could just be an observor at Walsall training sessions or be the ballboy. AFAIK he has no coaching badges so a complete novice.

I am afraid I don't follow this logic. They leak the information to judge the public reaction, which they must know anyway, which is by and large hostile and continue with the negotiations instead of abandoning them. And don't tell me it's to get a reduced salary for Staunton.
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Delaney: Eh, Stan, the people in the Evening Herald and Klein4 in foot.ie don't like the appointment so we're reducing your salary from 400k to 250k.

Stan: Fair enough Pat. But can you thrown in a few free Dundalk shirts ?

Delaney: My name is John but done.

Sources close to Staunton reveal that after hard negotiations, an Agreement has been reached.
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**NeilMcD** · 11/01/2006, 3:35 PM

surely we should be looking for evidence that he is tactically proficient from our future manager rather than looking for evidence that he is not. This is my main problem with the appointment its a shot in the dark. When you buy a player, or hire a manager you should try to cut down the amount of uncertainty, there is going to be an element of it but the less of it the better. This appointment has far too much of a gamble about it for my liking.

**Reality Bites** · 11/01/2006, 3:38 PM

I remember Reading a piece in Tony Cascarinos Autobiography about Stan, and it has always stuck in the memory:- when he first joined the senior squad as a young lad, a number of the senior players led by Liam Brady (very much the kingpin) were dealing out cards in a game of poker when Brady let a shout at the youngster to go grab a few soft drinks( I think it was) for him at the table, Stan immediatley recognised the demeaning task and promptly replied with a "**** off and get them yerself".
I always liked that and it shows the guy has balls kinda reminds of the scene in Goodfellas "don't take **** from nobody" without the gettin shot bit..
All great managers have them, so i suppose Stan gets my Vote

**klein4** · 11/01/2006, 3:45 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

I am afraid I don't follow this logic. They leak the information to judge the public reaction, which they must know anyway, which is by and large hostile and continue with the negotiations instead of abandoning them. And don't tell me it's to get a reduced salary for Staunton.
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Delaney: Eh, Stan, the people in the Evening Herald and Klein4 in foot.ie don't like the appointment so we're reducing your salary from 400k to 250k.

Stan: Fair enough Pat. But can you thrown in a few free Dundalk shirts ?

Delaney: My name is John but done.

Sources close to Staunton reveal that after hard negotiations, an Agreement has been reached.
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scraping the barrell here owlsfan....you obviously have no answer to any of the criticisms of the fai that have been raised on this thread and are reduced to the above...very selective in your responses as well.....

**Greenbod** · 11/01/2006, 3:45 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

surely we should be looking for evidence that he is tactically proficient from our future manager rather than looking for evidence that he is not.

Those who have appointed him should have looked for this evidence...Yes. Do you know they didn't?

**NeilMcD** · 11/01/2006, 3:46 PM

I dont think they have leaked it to judge public reaction I just think they have leaded it as they are very unprofessional and dont know how to do an appointment properly they have not appointed one manager under satisfactory circumstances. All of the last 3 appointments have been **** ups. Whether the guy was the right choice is neither here nor there but how they were appointed by the FAI were disasters and this is the same. Why did they tell Dervan select info and get him to go on the Hub to release it.

**NeilMcD** · 11/01/2006, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by Greenbod

Those who have appointed him should have looked for this evidence...Yes. Do you know they didn't?

Well he has never been a manager before so I dont know where they would have found evidence of this how good a tactician he is during top class matches and when the pressure is on . Maybe they sat him down in front of Championship Manager and asked him to take over the Irish team and see how he does. In fact I would not be suprised if that was the interview process for the Ireland job.

**NeilMcD** · 11/01/2006, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by Reality Bites

I remember Reading a piece in Tony Cascarinos Autobiography about Stan, and it has always stuck in the memory:- when he first joined the senior squad as a young lad, a number of the senior players led by Liam Brady (very much the kingpin) were dealing out cards in a game of poker when Brady let a shout at the youngster to go grab a few soft drinks( I think it was) for him at the table, Stan immediatley recognised the demeaning task and promptly replied with a "**** off and get them yerself".
I always liked that and it shows the guy has balls kinda reminds of the scene in Goodfellas "don't take **** from nobody" without the gettin shot bit..
All great managers have them, so i suppose Stan gets my Vote

Cascarino says in his article today that it was Whelan. Now either you are wrong, cascarino is wrong or else that Staunton regularly went around telling players to **** off when they bossed him about.

**Stuttgart88** · 11/01/2006, 3:49 PM

Hopefully Delaney will get a grilling at the Press Conference if he even attends. He cited as a requirement of the job the ability to react tactically during a game. In fact everything Delaney said around the time of Kerr's dismissal should be thrown back at him for him to justify.

I'm still glad Kerr's gone though.

**klein4** · 11/01/2006, 3:52 PM

I would be surprised if it is thrown back it him. he seems to get a very easy ride off the media.

**Greenbod** · 11/01/2006, 3:53 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Well he has never been a manager before so I dont know where they would have found evidence of this how good a tactician he is during top class matches and when the pressure is on . Maybe they sat him down in front of Championship Manager and asked him to take over the Irish team and see how he does. In fact I would not be suprised if that was the interview process for the Ireland job.

So you don't know.

**Hither green** · 11/01/2006, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Greenbod

Yes, but a motivated team of averagely talented players, stands a better chance than an unmotivated team of averagely talented players. The pick of players will be the same regardless of the manager. And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

I've got grave reservations about this appointment but trying to look on the bright side I generally agree with you. The team will largely pick itself and what you want from a manager is the ability to bring through new players; tactical skills and motivational skills. Kerr did precious little to bring through new players and his motivational skills were questionable. There's just one big question mark with Staunton, but if he can motivate the players then he's one up on Kerr and we'll hve to see about tactics and the rest. [Hey Peadar any chance of a smilie with its fingers crossed?]

**Peadar** · 11/01/2006, 3:55 PM

Originally Posted by Greenbod

And what evidence have you got that Staunton is not tactically proficient?

You're got this arse ways, Greenbod. In order to get the job, Staunton should have shown evidence that he is tactically proficient. I don't need proof that he isn't, the proof is that he has never shown he is.

It doesn't matter how you dress this up, Delaney cited reasons for sacking Kerr and has gone on to hire a novice with no proven ability in this type of role, at any level.

**NeilMcD** · 11/01/2006, 3:55 PM

I never said he was bad tactically but my point is that it is the wrong way around. YOu should know that they are good before you appoint them. Its not up to the supporters to find out examples that they are bad tactically. It should be obvious that they are good tactially before they even get the job.

**Den Perry** · 11/01/2006, 3:58 PM

Does anybody think there is a possibility that it won't be staunton and robson? are there doubts creeping in? if so his father will look like a right clown

**NeilMcD** · 11/01/2006, 3:59 PM

FAI interview Proces

Delaney Hello Stan how are you. So you are intersted in the Ireland job. Would you a be a good fella there now and turn on the computer

Staunton No Bother ( turns on Computer and loads up the disc he is given)

Delaney Now Stan as you have no experience of a top class side or to be honest of any side we would like you to take charge of Ireland on Championship Manager 05. This should give us an insight into your tactical knowledge and also help you getting to know the players strengths and weakness.

Staunton: No Bother

Staunton goes on to qualify for Euro 2008 during the all day CM 05 Session

Delaney Well done Stan, you have qualified for Euro 2008 and now you have the Ireland job. Can you start in March and just in case you f%ck up Bobby Robson is going to help you out

Staunton No Bother.

**Stuttgart88** · 11/01/2006, 3:59 PM

to digress a little: any RTE or 2FM radio or coverage on all this tonight, or any other night? I can get RTE radio through my TV package. Isn't there a comprehensive sports round-up on Friday evenings?

**Hither green** · 11/01/2006, 4:02 PM

Originally Posted by Den Perry

Does anybody think there is a possibility that it won't be staunton and robson? are there doubts creeping in? if so his father will look like a right clown

You've asked that several times now, in desperation perhaps?