QuoteExcuse me Neill, but I take exception to your view that any comment on his relationship with Keane is "silly". After all he publicly let his captai down at a vital point
Excuse me Neil, but I take offence at you referring to any comments regarding Staunton's relationship with Keane as "Silly". He publicly contributed to the problem at a vital time. He let his captain down I think the point is very relevant
Excuse me Neill, but I take exception to your view that any comment on his relationship with Keane is "silly". After all he publicly let his captai down at a vital point
I supported Keanes standing up to a shambolic set up but I dont think its relevant to whether Staunton should be the next Ireland manager. I would say the same if Keane was been appointed and people were castigating his role in Saipan. Its water under the bridge and move on. To be fair If Staunton did not support the manager, there would have been a mutiny and Irelands World Cup really would have been a shambles. Instead of Star Player sent Home/ Walks out, it woudl have been Irish team in shambles and full of infightiing. At least the players were united on the pitch and Staunton showed he was a good captain of that group of players. Footballers are a selfish bunch and they just wanna play games etc. Loyalty is not one of their biggest assets and I think Keane may have been a slow learner in this regard. He is now realising that not even Utd were loyal to him.
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Though Im against the appointment I hope he does well and turns me into a believer. I think he's trying to run before he can crawl but then again what do I know??!
So long as he promotes youth and gets a good coaching set up then it might not all be doom and gloom.
I missed adding that 'my guess is that...' - But I never said he will definately be the mentor - I posted as I was still typing by mistake, but changed it within 10 seconds - you must have read it in the 10 seconds, sorry bout thatOriginally Posted by klein4
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Title means nothing, it's who does what that counts. They key is the relationship and allocation of responsibility between the two. Like you, I'd expect Robson to be very much the senior figure initially although I'd expect the relationship to evolve with Staunton accepting more responsibility as time goes on. I'd say Robson very much feels he has a point to prove, especially to Newcastle so he'll be very motivated to succeed. He'll want to go out on a high. He'll also be well used to working for idiots having spent time under Freddie Shepherd. The Irish Times suggests he's a lot tougher than he is publicly perceived too. The more I think about this the more I like it. Whether we are happy to have someone like Bobby Robson is the real issue here, not how much experience Staunton has.
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You don't half talk some rubbish, wallis!
There's not a hope in hell that Sven will still have a job after the summer.
Peadar - they took him back after Paul Mersons appointment backfired !
I respect Bobby Robson, but not the other lad
Absolute class! Hats off to ye.Like this?
"...and it's Charlie Chaplin on the wing..."
Completely agree with you there. I didn't support Keane in the whole Saipan debacle and nor did I want him to return to the team. But if in the future he takes on the management then I'll be behind him. Staunton was in as difficult a position as any in Saipan and it doesn't come into this argument.
"...and it's Charlie Chaplin on the wing..."
Why would I be banned? for expressing my opinion in a democratic way?
Staunton and his mate Quinn were willingly led out by the FAI's spin machine (sic) to publicly back the idiot in charge of the team. Both sycophants were only too delighted to do so and in the process lost what tiny shred of respect I had for them.
As for Den Perry looking to be banned - for what? Not agreeing with the consensus? For agreeing with Keane over Saipan? For thinking Staunton is an FAI puppet/muppet? I thought people on here were smart enough to see through Delaney and his chums. Maybe not.
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The inability to move on and the absolute hypocrisy of the pro Keane lobby is amazing. Will you people for the love of God please move on. If Keane was to be the inexperienced appointee with Robson as 'mentor' I can just see al the 'couragous move/bold appointment/forward thinking' comments.
Staunton is inexperienced as a manager but as experienced a player as the likes of Van Basten, Klinnsman, Rijkard, Mark Hughes etc. It's a big gamble but Robson's involvement is a good move if they can make it work between them.
The alternatives - the Dodgy El Tel, failed premiership/champioship/league 1 managers? No thanks.
The Irish alternatives - Aldridge/Stapleton - No thanks
Let's face it the FAI don't have the pulling power or budget to get a top manager. Delaney should have know that before he stupidly raised expectations
Nope, for blatant trolling in other parts of the thread. Actually what I quoted was probably the best thing you've posted today. Probably should have made that clearer.
Anyway, this thread is supposed to be about Stan as a manager, not his family tree, not Roy Keane and certainly not Saipan. On that point, I think appointing him as the assitant to Robson to be groomed to take over after the Euro 2008 qualifiers would be infinitely more acceptable than the current Staunton as Manager and Robson as adviser, which (let's not forget) hasn't even been confirmed yet.
I think the inability to move on comes from both sides of that argument to be honest Normin. But I agree if Keane got the job there would be lots of people saying its a great appointment. There is very little reason to think that Keane would be a great manager and Staunton would be a crap one. Both have had successful club and international careers and both have captained their country.
In Trap we trust
What are the FAI playing at? Like it or not Saipan is not water under the bridge and won't be until there are no current players in the Ireland team who were caught up in the debacle. The appointment of Staunton makes no sense at all on so many levels. Even leaving aside his obvious lack of credentials other obstacles still stand firmly in the way. Unfortunately it offers the opportunity of resurrecting painful ghosts from the recent past. Here's how it will go down.
Everything will start off smoothly but a result goes against us and BAM!, Saipan will be brought up by every newspaper, TV station and the fans as to why things aren't going right. Conspiracy theories will be bandied about certain players who backed Keane not playing for the manager, personality clashes blah, blah, blah.
Unless, somehow, he becomes our managerial Messiah this could end in even worse heartbreak, for everyone involved, than Kerr and even McCarthys reigns before him. The bottom line is he will have to exceed all expectations just to survive because of who he is and all the recent baggage that people will perceive comes with him. While other men will get away with slight deficincies in their gameplan Staunton will not. The odds are stacked firmly against him.
The simple fact of the matter is no man who was involved as a player in Siapan should be allowed anywhere near the job at the moment, that includes Roy Keane. It's a recipe for disaster.
By the way what does Staunton have that Aldridge does not. Aldridge served Ireland admirably too and importantly was nowhere near Saipan. He's a decent manager and even though he wouldn't be in my top 5 for the job I would take him over Staunton every time.
If Staunton his to be the manager I will wish him well and hope he becomes our greatest manager ever, not just for our sakes but especially for his own sake.
Ok, BUT....it appears from his lack of comments that Staunton was always happy with the set-up/ preparation over the years, whereas Keane sacrificed a World Cup for it. Therefore are we again going to be subject to dodgy preparation
And what is trolling?
Amidst all this debate on the new manager, has anyone seen the headline on the main FAI website?
ELIMINATION FROM WORLD CUP WAS DISAPPOINTMENT
Classic understatement
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