Irish Politicians - eircom League

**gspain** · 10/01/2006, 8:23 AM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

blueshirts.... irish hibernians...shooting ira men.... too easy!!!!

Will you ever stop harping on about clubs being Republican or Loyalist or whatever.

Can you provide any evidence that any club in this country has ever made a political statement or has any political leanings. Bohemians are a football club. Shamrock Rovers are a football club end of story.

**BohDiddley** · 10/01/2006, 10:25 AM

Sheer brilliance.
FACT!

Originally Posted by Vitruvian Man

Macy and Pete, get a history lesson for God�s sake. And not one of Passive�s arse-over-tit makey-up ones. I suppose, by your logic, the agents of Michael Collins who infiltrated Dublin Castle were West Brit garrison-monkeys just because they shuffled some paperwork for Queen Victoria.

Bohemians were formed in 1890 by an IRB spy ring who had subverted the Dublin garrisons of the British Army (one of the most powerful in the world at the time) but needed a front to meet and pass their information, especially in the winter because the Phoenix park was proving to be pretty cold. By also infiltrating the medical wing of the occupation force they also ensured the deaths of countless Royal Irish Regiment personnel by infecting them with syphilis, known colloquially during the times as �The Hooped Disease� or �The Ringsend Rot�.

Everyone with more than superficial knowledge of Irish history knows that Bohemians have the richest deepest and most vibrant nationalist character of any association football club. For example, the original colours of the Starry Plough flag of James Connolly�s ICA were red and black in honour of Bohemians FC. But, they were changed to green and silver after the original was stolen and burned during a game in 1902 with a team recently formed from Ringsend street-drifters and the unemployed sons of Montgomery Street workers. The flag was changed to the more familiar blue and yellow after a Bohemians game against a different team of Ringsend criminals in 1913 who attempted to turn the Bohem

ian revolutionaries in to the British Imperial authorities by presenting them with the stolen flag.

In 1916 Dalymount was considered by the IRA army council as a site for staging the rising due to the staunchly republican nature of the area but Bolands Mills was eventually settled on as they decided that any collateral damage to civilians would be better suffered among the traditional supporters of the British Empire. This theory proved to be well founded as the British Navy gunboat Helga fired on every rebel position within range except the Bolands Mills even though it was the closest.

Bohemians = Nationalist Team.
FACT!!!

**WeAreRovers** · 10/01/2006, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by gspain

Bohemians are a football club. Shamrock Rovers are a football club end of story.

End of story??? Not a chance, any opportunity for Rovers and Bohs fans to have a go at each other will always be gladly taken. Even if it is some spurious 100-year-story about Brits and the Rising.

For example of how serious we take this stuff see Vitruvian Man's post. Genius, but in a rather disturbing way.

KOH

**BohDiddley** · 10/01/2006, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

I was a huge Accrington Stanley fan back when they were in senior football. Went to all their games, home and and away.....

Definitely a garrison club. Full of bloody Brits.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Your only hope is to beg forgiveness from the SRFC thought police

**BohDiddley** · 10/01/2006, 10:39 AM

Getting back on, or at least towards topic, does anyone know of any national (ROI) politician who has done anything tangible for Irish football, and in particular EL football? As a proper-football arriviste, I am not aware of a single such case, but I'm probably wrong.
I'd love to get my hands on that Noel Ahern letter to the IT. Any more detail on it to help in the search?

**razor** · 10/01/2006, 10:44 AM

Apart from a certain SF councillor, No one in Cork stands out as being a City fan. Of course they'll all be there when trophies are given out, anything for a photo opportunity, lechicos the lot of em.

**pete** · 10/01/2006, 10:48 AM

I see some Bohs fans still very touchy about British Army past.

Originally Posted by gspain

Can you provide any evidence that any club in this country has ever made a political statement or has any political leanings. Bohemians are a football club. Shamrock Rovers are a football club end of story.

Exactly. Football shouldn't involve itself in politics like the GAA.

**Macy** · 10/01/2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

As a proper-football arriviste, I am not aware of a single such case, but I'm probably wrong.

I doubt you are wrong. But watch them start tripping over themselves in the run up to the election.

**BohDiddley** · 10/01/2006, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Macy

I doubt you are wrong. But watch them start tripping over themselves in the run up to the election.

I won't be holding my breath: http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=32544
I don't think there's much appetite for the garrison game down BIFFO'S way.

**Pablo** · 10/01/2006, 11:01 AM

Dan Boyle and Sean Martin are regulars at city matches

**pete** · 10/01/2006, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Pablo

Dan Boyle and Sean Martin are regulars at city matches

I think Dan Boyle used to sponsor a player?

**sonofstan** · 10/01/2006, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by razor

lechicos the lot of em.

Love that word (though it's usually rendered as 'latchiko')

**bigmac** · 11/01/2006, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

pat rabbite is a hoop

Haven't read most of this thread, (first time on net since christmas!!) but didn't Pat Rabbitte come out in the Irish Times recently with a column about what it means to be Irish and mention Man Utd? He might be a hoop, but he should be more vocal about it if he really is one.

Originally Posted by Pat Rabbitte

Being Irish means being passionate about hurling, the Dubs, Man Utd, Keano, Cork, and almost any other form of sport you care to mention.

**NY Hoop** · 11/01/2006, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by bigmac

Haven't read most of this thread, (first time on net since christmas!!) but didn't Pat Rabbitte come out in the Irish Times recently with a column about what it means to be Irish and mention Man Utd? He might be a hoop, but he should be more vocal about it if he really is one.

Well when he launched "We Are Rovers" he said he was a patron at the RDS. I've never seen him at a game but thats not to say he doesnt go.

Wasnt aware of the IT piece but it is embarrassing especially the man yoo and traitor bit

KOH

**Speranza** · 11/01/2006, 12:51 PM

What a ****ing tool. How can he seriously say as a pretty inteligent man that being Irish means supporting a British club.

**WeAreRovers** · 11/01/2006, 2:09 PM

Originally Posted by NY Hoop

Well when he launched "We Are Rovers" he said he was a patron at the RDS. I've never seen him at a game but thats not to say he doesnt go.

Wasnt aware of the IT piece but it is embarrassing especially the man yoo and traitor bit

KOH

He was at the 2002 cup-final in his green and white scarf (safe to say he's not a casual so.

) and he's been pretty good to Rovers over the years. And I say that as someone who can't stand the bloke.

The only IT piece I saw was a Sporting Highs and Lows 2005 feature in which Rabbitte said one of his lows was Rovers getting relegated.

KOH

**NY Hoop** · 11/01/2006, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by WeAreRovers

He was at the 2002 cup-final in his green and white scarf (safe to say he's not a casual so.

) and he's been pretty good to Rovers over the years. And I say that as someone who can't stand the bloke.

The only IT piece I saw was a Sporting Highs and Lows 2005 feature in which Rabbitte said one of his lows was Rovers getting relegated.

KOH

Yeah in fairness he has stuck with us throughout the Tallaght debacle. Forgot about the other IT piece.

Politicans? Whaddya gonna do?!!

KOH

**BohDiddley** · 11/01/2006, 2:27 PM

Rabbitte was wrapping the red flag of the ManU global franchise around himself on December 30. He might as well have said being Irish is about loving a McDonald's and Coke.

For those with access ... http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opi...0RABBITTE.html

There is a fascinating blind spot in the Irish psyche when it comes to British football, that has to do with the early coverage on television and subsequently Sky-ification. I don't think anyone can claim to be immune. I'm happy to confess that I still have a fond spot for Leeds United that goes back a (erm, very) long way, but I certainly won't be adding it to some oddball collection of qualities that makes me Irish.
I can't imagine the leader of a major political party in any other country making a statement like Rabbitte's, still less his getting away with it as if he has just said nothing of note.
It's as if football in this country didn't exist outside of the E. Premiership hype machine. Weird but, unfortunately, very real.

**NY Hoop** · 11/01/2006, 2:34 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Rabbitte was wrapping the red flag of the ManU global franchise around himself on December 30. He might as well as said being Irish is about loving a McDonald's and Coke.

For those with access ... http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opi...0RABBITTE.html

There is a fascinating blind spot in the Irish psyche when it comes to British football, that has to do with the early coverage on television and subsequently Sky-ification. I don't think anyone can claim to be immune. I'm happy to confess that I still have a fond spot for Leeds United that goes back a (erm, very) long way, but I certainly won't be adding it to some oddball collection of qualities that makes me Irish.
I can't imagine the leader of a major political party in any other country making a statement like Rabbitte's, still less his getting away with it as if he has just said nothing of note.
It's as if football in this country didn't exist outside of the E. Premiership hype machine. Weird but, unfortunately, very real.

Quality post for a gypo

but spot on. It's the sheep mentality. The most popular clubs here are liver fluke and man yoo. Why? Because they won everything in the 80s and 90s respectively so everyone "supports" them because everyone else does. Largely the blame for this is the media.

KOH

**S�C** · 11/01/2006, 6:03 PM

Originally Posted by razor

Apart from a certain SF councillor, No one in Cork stands out as being a City fan. Of course they'll all be there when trophies are given out, anything for a photo opportunity, lechicos the lot of em.

Thats not correct nor fair.

Batt O'Keeffe FF used to go a good bit when games were on a Sunday before he was made a Junior Minister, he used sponsor Patsy Frayne in the bad old days.

Dan Boyle of the Greens is a regular and always sponsors thinkgs like mascot competitions and family enclosure sweets etc

Se�n Martin is always there

John O'Brien is a die hard