QuoteKeep up Steve, we covered this example earlier:Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
An absolutely absurd comment. How can you be so sure ??
The current make-up of the Eircom league owes its roots largely to the expansions in the League that occured in the 1980's, and the changes since then - listed as follows :
NEW ENTRANTS TO EIRCOM LEAGUE/LEAGUE OF IRELAND
1984 : (All due to Expansion)
Cork City, Longford Town.
1985 : (All due to Expansion)
Bray Wanderers, Cobh Ramblers, Derry City, EMFA (now Kilkenny City), Monaghan United, Newcastle United (later Newcastle West, now defunct).
1990 :
St James's Gate (Now defunct, took place of Newcastle West).
1996 :
St Francis (Now defunct, took place of St James' Gate).
2003 :
Kildare County (took place of St Francis).
That's 11 clubs who've joined our currently 22 team league over the last 22 years, 9 of which still remain.
So which of those particular entries into the league had "some suspect dealings" involved with it ? (And for the jokers - Derry gaining special dispensation from FIFA was hardly a suspect dealing) ??
The only even vaguely suspect dealings from amongst the above related to a club LEAVING the league - not joining. St Francis 'merged' with/was swallowed by St Pats in 2002 them at very short notice without giving the League any notice of their intentions - meaning that there were only 11 clubs competing in the Premier Division for season 2002/3.
To try to give legitimacy to Seery's underhand tactics by claiming that every other club in the league is there through some sort of dodgy dealings is clearly absurd and pathetic.
Coincidentally - to follow your arguements through - are St Pats no longer the same St Patrick's Athletic they've always been, purely because St Francis Fc allegedly 'merged' with them in 2002....?
Keep up Steve, we covered this example earlier:
Sorry BS - but you're completely wrong here.
UCD's male and female teams can NEVER be technically viewed as the same thing. They compete in completely different spheres, and under current footbalkling rules cannot have the same players in any way. What you do administratively is therefore irrelevant - it may be of note to lawyers and Office Managers who worry about such things, but whetehr or not your women's team is being adminsitered alongside the men's team would change not one bit your senior team, it's sphere of competition, its operations, or its continued existence. Just like the Junior part of Home Farm splitting off from the senior part of Home Farm made no difference to the senior club.
From what your saying - any time an Eirom League club gains or loses a junior team, a female team, a disabled team, whatever, then the senior team MUST be treated as an entirely new entity ! It's previous history, tropjhies etc is no-longer relevant, as Year Zero starts at that point ! That's clearly ridiculous.....
Conversely - St Pats and St Francis were direct competitors operating in the same sphere of competition (senior Irish football). A merger between those 2 CANNOT just be dismissed as the same as an internal administrative change involving 2 parts of exactly the same body !
For the record, I said the exact opposite. Apart from that we're in agreement.
I'm giving up, not wasting any more time on this joker, he obviously hasn't read any post by anyone except himself. He has the basis of his argument completely scewed.
It was the senior section which was the breakoff. Home Farm (who won the FAI cup in the 70's i think, not sure, don't care i have nothing to do with them.) are in the same boat as St. James Gate. They left the National League and now compete in the Leinster Senior League.
The entity now known as Dublin City (led by the former Home Farm CEO Ronan Seery, who was disappointed when Home Farm decided to pull out of the eL and decided to go it alone as Home Farm Everton) was established at this point and admitted to the national league. Maybe the wool was pulled over someones eyes at this stage. I don't know. Was DCFCsteve at the league meeting. Has he got a copy of the minutes of that meeting. I don't know what happened. Any problem which anyone can have with our existence is solely to do with what happened at this meeting.
Excellent - so we're all in agreement then.
Dublin City was set-up in 1995 under the name of Home Farm Everton. So the club DID start life as Home Farm (albeit the 'Everton' and 'Fingal' varieties), and the club DIDN'T begin in 2001/2, as Seery and a lot of your fans seem to believe and claim. End of story.
Finally we're all there.I prounce this therapy session over- the truth is out and the delusion ends.
Now, what say we try and get to the bottom of Crop Circles next.....?
Regardless of their origin, I'd say this is a make or break year for Seery FC. Without a significant increase in attendances (and not just away fans) surely the penny will drop with El Presidente? ie that its hard enough to get fans and scrape by when you have a history like Bohs, Shels, Pats and Rovers (and to a lesser extent UCD), never mind building a franchise from scratch.
The biggest shame, as pointed out above, is that he didn't put his money and his personal commitment into one of the big 4 Dublin clubs which have a history, a fanbase and a realistic prospect of long-term survivial.
Brilliant, I can see seven more pages being added to this thread.
1. UCD was founded (depending on who you talk to) well over 100 years ago and has just as much history as any of the other clubs you've named. Highlights include winning the World University Championships, being the first western sports team to tour China in about 40 years, being the biggest adult club in europe for about 20 years now and generally being better than Trinity.
2. You're going to have to tell us which teams you mean when you say the 'big 4 Dublin clubs'. My league table tells me that that puts UCD 3rd, or 4th if you count Bray.
(That last comment was just to make sure the thread did indeed get to 14 pages.)
Watch out Tottywatch.... !
Another thread on the non-existence of a fake "club". Just as well that it only takes up 4 pages so far on my PC.
As a Home Farm fan, it has a lot to do with you. 1975, remember then??
Saying that is like I saying that our 6 cups in a row in the 60's has nothing to do with me. I wasn't a Rovers fan at the time, I didn't go to the matches, I wasn't even born then, but as a Rovers fan, it is automatically a part of my/our history.
Wrong, I'm afraid Steve. In summer 2001, Pats and Francis merged, and Francis duly left the league. There were a full 12 teams playing in the Premier Division in the 2001/02 season, however, there were just 9 First Division clubs, vying for one promotion place. Everyone else in the division had a week off, when originally due to play St. Francis that season. The situation most affected promotion-chasers Waterford United, who had the misfortune to finish their season one week before everyone else, because of the anomaly. Kildare County played their first league game in July 2002.
...a lot like your club will have given up on Premier Division survival next season, by about the end of April.
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Not only are UCD and Dublin City in the Premier Division on merit they are also two of the better run clubs in the EL , not to mention in Dublin. Don't forget Hoops fans, you are in the First Division purely because your previous board were a bunch of dishonest gobsheens( which is why the 8 points were deducted)!Good to hear - better you lot and ronan seery doing what you're at than doing that.
Like ffs I would love if both UCD and Dublin weren't in the Premier League, and a couple of other teams with big support from around the country got promoted.
But they're there on merit - if 2 clubs with sh!t support can do it, I can't see why its not possible for the likes of Finn Harps, Galway, Craptown, etc to do it?
Dublin City are here on merit, so live with it and hopefully other clubs from around the country can learn a thing or 2 from them get promoted, send the both down (no offence dublin or UCD supporters)and we've more country teams with decent suppot in the Premier League
eh??? explain please
1. I don't enjoy watching football in grounds with small attendences and consequently poor atmosphere. If I did, I'd watch games in the local park more often as its cheaper.
2. Bray is in Wicklow and big isn't defined by League position.
Apologies MP - my feck-up on the dates and the division. Embarassing, given that I have the tables from 2001/2 and 2002/3 sitting in-front of me
I really should start those remedial reading classes again.......!
While not getting into an obsessive state about CHF I think any sane fan would agree that they would be better served in the LSL. This is not about point scoring or personal abuse its just that no club should have been let into the league with no support especially from the capital. Five clubs in Dublin is enough and should never be added to.
CHF, St Francis and St James Gate should have never been in the league in the first place.
The only way to rectify this is to deny CHF a league place next year and replace them with a country club. But before this is done this country club will have to fulfil certain conditions such as potential crowds, business plan and proper facilities. Instead of the old way of the nod and wink which is how CHF came into being.
KOH
Ny Hoop, in fairness you're talking total sh!te there!!
It would be stupid if the EL decided to relegate a club because of their location ffs.
Easy solution is for the country clubs to be run better than Seery and Dublin city and therefor they'll get relegated naturally. Or maybe the other clubs dont have it in them!
DAN CONNOR HATES CITY, HE HATES LANGERS
Cosmo read my whole post please. Not relegate them but out altogether not because of their location but because of their lack of support. What other properly run league in the world would admit a club with no support?
I was referring to replacing them with a well run country club. For example the Kerry side or Castlebar Celtic etc. Thats not "****e" it makes sense.
KOH
I agree with ye that theres too many dublin teams but ffs ye cant relegate a club because of their location or lack of fanbase (we'd be the laughing stock of football
DAN CONNOR HATES CITY, HE HATES LANGERS
Cosmo again I didnt say relegate I said out, gone, finished, not in the league. We are the laughing stock of football cos they are IN the league.
KOH
Is that the Kerry side that wouldn't enter the league cup because of prohibitive costs? It's all very well saying that we should let in other teams instead of DC but these other teams don't seem to want to be in the league! Why not just leave DC in the league and bring in 2 new clubs to the first division. If DC truly aren't viable then they won't last in the premier and one of the other teams can take their place.
Anyway, why attack DC over doing their utmost to get into the league? If you're not happy with what the FAI/EL did then surely you should blame them?
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