True and teams from the SPL have done ever so well in the Champions League right?Originally Posted by Roverstillidie
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
im illustrating the point that 'median' teams isnt a great measure for a league.
Rangers are still in the CL. and as an aside, can you name me a league that represents 5 million that has 4 european trophies in the bag?
How many of those trophies were won in the last 20 years?
It appears that Celtic just turned down an offer of 3M for Petrov from Fulham. That's good business on their part. The market, however, suggests that Petrov is no better than a mid-level Premiership midfielder.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
this has nothing to do with stan petrov or your opinion of him, its the typical raised on premiership barstooler argument that 'scottish football is crap'.
ignore the fact that a country of 5m has 2 g14 clubs, won 5 euro trophies, has two clubs in the top 20 welthiest clubs in the world list (2 more than france), have a rep in the CL and Celtic in particular have some serious footballers, once scotland is mentioned, revert to semi racist name calling.
as has been said before a midfield with mcgeady, thompson, lennon, keane, nakamura, agathe, pearson, wallace and maloney to choose from is as good as any bar chelsea and murderpool in the EPL.
bear in mind as roma also had a bid for petrov turned down a few seasons ago
What do you mean by that?How does the market suggest anything?
The transfer value of a player does give some guideline of the players quality. Based on Petrov's international profile as Hungarian capt, his Euro competition performances, his Celtic role, his salary and optimum age, £3m would be an absolute steal even if his contract is entering into the last 18 month twilight zone. What has this got to do with Kilbane anyway? Sutton has not gone to Everton.
It was a non-story from the beginning.
Are you not contradicting yerself slightly there fella. You're whinging about name calling with reference to Scotland but refer to Liverpool with the stupid moniker above. Grow up.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
the market don't suggest SH8T. kevin doyle 70grand, now worth bout 2mill, boumsong 8mill, worth less than half of that....if fulham had more money to spend they would bid what he is worth, which i would assume is around 5mill.
First of all, you have this habit of personalizing every argument you get into. You are no more knowledgeable about football than I am so get off your high-horse and stick to the issue.
It helps that Scotland is connected to one of the most open and economically successful countries on the planet. It's estimated that there are over 100m Nigerians but they don't have much of a domestic club scene as the country suffers from dire poverty. They have more pressing needs to attend to. Celtic are in a country where people can afford to spend money (and have the liesure time) on tickets, tv and products advertised at the stadium and on tv. This allows Celtic to sell more of their product and expand their business. This then allows them to purchase players from outside of Scotland (last time I checked, Petrov isn't Scottish). So your argument about a "country of 5 million" is utterly useless unless it is put into context. Celtic (and Scotland) benefit from a well organized league (hello EL!) and the fact that they are based in a (relatively) extremely wealthy country.
That's your opinion. Celtic's performance in the Champions League suggests that you are wrong.as has been said before a midfield with mcgeady, thompson, lennon, keane, nakamura, agathe, pearson, wallace and maloney to choose from is as good as any bar chelsea and murderpool in the EPL.
And please, calling people "racist" just because they critique Celtic is pathetic.
Last edited by Fergie's Son; 07/01/2006 at 6:58 PM.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Livehead, do you actually read a post before you reply to it, it helps with understanding content.
first things first, i was refering to the futility of comparing the SPL and EPL as of course a country with 12 times the population is going to produce more top tier sides. its madness to suggest otherwise. comparing scotland to a third world country is a **** poor argument. compare them to ireland luxembourg or malta. again, ill ask, name one other country of 5 million that
has such a strong football pedigree.
fergie, you brought up the tiresome scot football bashing in a thread about kevin kilbane and whether he would make the celtic midfield.
all discussions (in this instance petrov) about the merits of a scottish based player end up being hijaked by goons whose only contribution seems to be 'well if he plays in scotland he must be crap'. its banal and boring, and yes, smacks a little bit of an anglo centric racist argument that the colonies are useless at everything.
is that the best thing you could find? its not name calling, its the arrogance of certain ole olers that everything outside the EPL is crap. liverpool fans murdered 39 innicent italian fans, so its a fair dig. very different to abusing the scottish league because you grew up watching english football and join in their smug arrogance.
Last edited by Roverstillidie; 07/01/2006 at 11:51 PM.
...maybe i was agreeing with u
I'm not sure if you are just being obtuse but I think you missed my point entirely. Scotland is an economic powerhouse where soccer is the most popular sport. This lends itself to having severl large and well funded football teams who can purchase talent from abroad. That said, outside of the top 2-3 clubs the talent level falls significantly. Moreover, given the paucity of talent in the legaue generally the top teams suffer as there really isn't a competitive league.
Barring the odd fluke (like today's result) the top teams will always win and win comfortably in Scotland. Top players are rarely attracted to a Celtic or a Rangers and it is rare that either team will manage to land a truly world-class player. They do well for their size (but that is based more on economics than population size) but that does not mean that they are particulary good teams or that they play in a decent league.
And no, it's no racist to suggest that the Scottish league is weak or that Celtic are maginal team. It's an opinion based on a common sense understanding of the game.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Well judging by Celtics performance yesterday, Kilbane would have no problems getting his place and that does not say much.
On yesterday's performance Bobby Robson would make the Celtic team.
i really couldnt be bothered with this but two brief final points.
1: if you think scotland is an economic powerhouse, you have never been there. it is one of the poorest regions in europe and areas of glasgow only rival naples for most disadvantaged in the EU.
2:
unlike the EPL, serie a, la liga etc etc. name me one elite leage in europe that there are more than 3 genuine contenders in ant given year. this happens in every leage, but the divide is most permanent in scotland and holland.
getting back to the point, humiliation at clyde aside, kilbane would not make the celts first 11, all celtic minded posters on here seem to agree on that.
Midfield No, However as I stated earlier he could certainly do us a turn at Left Back.
I thought you were off the drink Ronnie?
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