Jason Byrne now on again - Set to sign in Jan

[Macy]

Macy what do you think of him as a player?

Great player, as good as, if not better than Gartland imo, if you're looking for a comparison.

[bigmac]

I think we need to remember though, that the deal was probably only scuppered by the Bray sell-on clause. Not that I'm getting at Bray, it was a good piece of business on their part, but if Shels were offered 400K and they would get it all, he would have been on a plane to Stockholm quicker than you can say..eh..something in Swedish.

Are we sure about that? If I were in Bray's shoes then I'd have snapped up a hundred grand for him and been delighted at it. It's not as if he's probably going to move from Shels now that this fell through. If it's the case that the move was blocked over Bray sticking to their guns, then if I were a Bray fan I'd be wondering had we just thrown away a hundred grand to make a point to Shels.

I think to be honest though, that Shels would have wanted at least 500K in their pocket out of any deal before considering it seriously.

[Macy]

If it's the case that the move was blocked over Bray sticking to their guns, then if I were a Bray fan I'd be wondering had we just thrown away a hundred grand to make a point to Shels.

Whats the point of sell on clauses if you're not going to stick to them? Bray accepting a lower amount would be just the same as a club accepting a peanuts offer for a player.

[Roo69]

Are we sure about that? If I were in Bray's shoes then I'd have snapped up a hundred grand for him and been delighted at it. It's not as if he's probably going to move from Shels now that this fell through. If it's the case that the move was blocked over Bray sticking to their guns, then if I were a Bray fan I'd be wondering had we just thrown away a hundred grand to make a point to Shels.

I think to be honest though, that Shels would have wanted at least 500K in their pocket out of any deal before considering it seriously.

We sold ourselves short in the 1st place by letting Byrne go for such a cheap price to Shels, they were more than happy at the time to pay pitance for him but now that another club wants to buy him they dont want to give us what is rightly ours....... Not our problem, it's Shels.

We also had 1st option to buy him back, again we did not stand in the way of Shels and DIF over this, we waved our right to try let them get the deal done.

Yeah we have lost out on a nice few bob but why should we settle for 2nd best ?

EDIT: Spot on Macy

[Slash/ED]

Yeah we have lost out on a nice few bob but why should we settle for 2nd best ?

Because it's better than nothing? Purely from Brays point of view, it surely beats ending up with squat. A cosniderable sum of money for an EL club vs no money, seems like a no brainer to me. I don't mind though, if Brays stubborn refusal to accept far more money than they ever would have expected at the time of making the deal means Byrne stays then fair play to them

[Macy]

But surely Shels were doing the same too?

Byrne deal to end Bargain Basement mentality then? Except Shels want Bray to carry it on, so it was no different. Shels just became the equivalent of the foreign club trying to do things on the cheap....

[ThatGuy]

But surely Shels were doing the same too?

Byrne deal to end Bargain Basement mentality then? Except Shels want Bray to carry it on, so it was no different. Shels just became the equivalent of the foreign club trying to do things on the cheap....

I agree.

Bray are "taking one for the team". And by team I mean Eircom League clubs. Fair play to them.

As George O'Callaghan says, Shelbourne are bullies.

[Slash/ED]

But surely Shels were doing the same too?

Byrne deal to end Bargain Basement mentality then? Except Shels want Bray to carry it on, so it was no different. Shels just became the equivalent of the foreign club trying to do things on the cheap....

I'm talking purely from a Bray perspective. Shels intentions are irrelevent, Bray were essentially (If this is even true) given a chance to make alot of money (More money in one transfer deal than they'll ever make again more than likely) or end up with their 50% clause probably yielding nothing at all in the long run. It makes no business sense on their part to be stubborn imo, it only costs them alot of money. It's not like they would even have lost anything. They may have stood up to the big bad bullies and all of that, again assuming any of this happened, but ultimately all it's done has lost them alot of money that was basically money for nothing as they would not have budgeted for it, would not have expected nearly as much when the deal was struck and would not have lost anything to get this money.

Like I said though, fair play to them I'm happy, as Shels are probably 20+ league goals better off next season and that could be the difference between a title or not.

[Macy]

Like I said though, fair play to them I'm happy, as Shels are probably 20+ league goals better off next season and that could be the difference between a title or not.

Fair enough - different perspective I suppose. But Shels would hardly have been expecting €200,000 for him either given the sell on clause, and (like it or not) €200,000 in total would be good business for an eL club selling a player, let alone half of €400,000.

Both clubs cutting of their noises I suppose, but Bray only wanted their contract honoured. I mean isn't this kind of windfall the exact reason for sell on clauses?

[Slash/ED]

Fair enough - different perspective I suppose. But Shels would hardly have been expecting €200,000 for him either given the sell on clause, and (like it or not) €200,000 in total would be good business for an eL club selling a player, let alone half of €400,000.

Both clubs cutting of their noises I suppose, but Bray only wanted their contract honoured. I mean isn't this kind of windfall the exact reason for sell on clauses?

Well I disagree on the first point. Shels value Byrne higher than 200,000, I think no sell on clause and Djurgardens offer 200,000 and Shels would still reject the deal, rightly so imo. I would also imagine if Djurgardens upped their offer so Shels got their valuation of Byrne they would not care how much Bray got, the problem is Shels are now net recieveing under what they value Byrne at and so the deal is off, which seems fair enough to me.

On your second point, yeah I agree to an extent. But in this case Bray would be recieveing far more than they ever bargained for even with a reduced amount on the sell on clause, it's exceptional circumstances really. From their point of view I'd accept a lesser percentage which is still a huge amount of money for a club like them to essentially get for nothing at the moment, and none of it budgeted for. Saying no I think is exactly what you said there, cutting off their noses.

[Roo69]

Well I disagree on the first point. Shels value Byrne higher than 200,000, I think no sell on clause and Djurgardens offer 200,000 and Shels would still reject the deal, rightly so imo. I would also imagine if Djurgardens upped their offer so Shels got their valuation of Byrne they would not care how much Bray got, the problem is Shels are now net recieveing under what they value Byrne at and so the deal is off, which seems fair enough to me.

On your second point, yeah I agree to an extent. But in this case Bray would be recieveing far more than they ever bargained for even with a reduced amount on the sell on clause, it's exceptional circumstances really. From their point of view I'd accept a lesser percentage which is still a huge amount of money for a club like them to essentially get for nothing at the moment, and none of it budgeted for. Saying no I think is exactly what you said there, cutting off their noses.

But Bray had nothing to do with the deal that Shels and Djurgardens were trying to reach, We would just have ben entitled to 50% of what ever was reached, Shels did not go ahead with the deal because they would have had to give us such a large amount of the fee involved.

Not at one stage did we get involved in the contract talks between the 2 sides, that is none of our business, the transfer fee is none of our business, we just wanted what was ours, it is not Bray's fault Shels decided to pull the plug on the deal.

The clause was put in by Bray because we knew the potential that Jason had, we knew that there would be a pretty good chance that a big money offer would be made for him, hence meaning we knew that we could make a nice little earner at some point in the future, which in this case would have been €200,000. We did not turn this down.

[sligoman]

Why would they be - bonus money for them. They've already got one transfer fee for him. Fair play for them standing up to Shels over the contract - Bray fans should be proud of Slevin et al, pity more wouldn't.

Of course they'd still be raging. They lost out on a good bit of money regardless of weather they received a previous fee for him or not!

[Slash/ED]

But Bray had nothing to do with the deal that Shels and Djurgardens were trying to reach, We would just have ben entitled to 50% of what ever was reached, Shels did not go ahead with the deal because they would have had to give us such a large amount of the fee involved.

Not at one stage did we get involved in the contract talks between the 2 sides, that is none of our business, the transfer fee is none of our business, we just wanted what was ours, it is not Bray's fault Shels decided to pull the plug on the deal.

The clause was put in by Bray because we knew the potential that Jason had, we knew that there would be a pretty good chance that a big money offer would be made for him, hence meaning we knew that we could make a nice little earner at some point in the future, which in this case would have been €200,000. We did not turn this down.

When did I say you did? The only thing Bray may have done is stop their chance of getting a nice little earner from Byrne, if any of this indeed happened and it's all rumour. It doesn't seem to make sense from a business point of view on their part, as they would have known Shels will not accept 200,000 net for Byrne. That's why they didn't g ahead with the deal.

[zinedineontour]

That doyle transfer fee was the final straw for me. Jason Byrne is worth about £1 million GBP and any €400,000 deal is a sham.

To be honest shels were getting a great deal imo for 400,000 .. he is not in the same class as Kevin Doyle who maybe soon would command the likes of 1mill but jason byrne ?? they should have snapped off their hands ..

[Roo69]

When did I say you did? The only thing Bray may have done is stop their chance of getting a nice little earner from Byrne, if any of this indeed happened and it's all rumour. It doesn't seem to make sense from a business point of view on their part, as they would have known Shels will not accept 200,000 net for Byrne. That's why they didn't g ahead with the deal.

So in other words, your saying "smaller" clubs should let "bigger" clubs fcuk them over ? Why should we have taken a smaller % fee of what was originally agreed by Shels ?

Bray have stoped nothing, as i said, Shels were the ones doing the deal, NOT Bray, so how did we stop ourselves getting a sell on fee when we had nothing to do with it. Shels are the ones who decided not to sell because of the sell on fee involved

[The Sheliban]

There is no evidence anywhere to suggest that Shels tried to get Bray to renogotiate the contract.
The statement said that because Bray were entitled to a cut, Shels wanted to make sure that they got a decent price for him. People are interpreting that as Shels trying to bully Bray into renegotiating. I have seen no evidence that this is the case, but would be quick to condemn, if this were so.
Proven goalscorers are thin on the ground. It will be interesting to see where Djurgartens go to pick up an adequate replacement.
Personally I'd have sold him for 400,000.

[Slash/ED]

So in other words, your saying "smaller" clubs should let "bigger" clubs fcuk them over ? Why should we have taken a smaller % fee of what was originally agreed by Shels ?

Bray have stoped nothing, as i said, Shels were the ones doing the deal, NOT Bray, so how did we stop ourselves getting a sell on fee when we had nothing to do with it. Shels are the ones who decided not to sell because of the sell on fee involved

If you want to put words in my mouth, get outraged over them and argue against points that were never made don't waste my time with it.

I never said Bray prevented anything, or pretty much anything your ranting about there. I said IF, and it's a hypotetical if, Shels would have accepted the deal if Bray reduced the sell on clause, if I was Bray I would have been eager to do so, as that beats getting nothing should Byrne remain at Shels or leave later on at much less money possibley nothing depending on his age and contract situation. Bray will never be in a position to recieve this much money for Byrne again, it would make sense on their part to accept a reduction percentage wise and in the process earn far more than they ever expected in what was essentially free money for them.

To be honest shels were getting a great deal imo for 400,000 .. he is not in the same class as Kevin Doyle who maybe soon would command the likes of 1mill but jason byrne ?? they should have snapped off their hands ..

Byrne consistently scored more goals than Doyle here, won more trophys and won more awards. All Doyle has on Byrne is age.

[Raheny Red]

zinedineontour wote:

To be honest shels were getting a great deal imo for 400,000 .. he is not in the same class as Kevin Doyle who maybe soon would command the likes of 1mill but jason byrne ?? they should have snapped off their hands ..

Are you serious??

Where you not in Tolka last season and see the magic produced by Jayo. €400,000 is pittance for a player of Jayos standard!!

[Macy]

Bray will never be in a position to recieve this much money for Byrne again, it would make sense on their part to accept a reduction percentage wise and in the process earn far more than they ever expected in what was essentially free money for them.

But niether will shels, so around we go again....

[Slash/ED]

But niether will shels, so around we go again....

Yes but that's entirely different. From Shels point of view, the 200,000 they would recieve is below their valuation of Jason Byrne and why they wont sell him. To get that 200,000, they would lose their main striker and one of their most important players. They value him higher, so no deal. Bray on the other hand would not actually be loseing anything in their case