Alan Quinn

[tricky_colour]

Should this go to the Ireland forum?

One would have thought so.

[jebus]

Are you for fuking real? Do you call yourself an Irishman? Who cares about some small-town Sheffield rivalry. He was a free agent and free to go wherever he wanted. He didn't get much of a chance when he went to Sunderland on loan. He was fully entitled to go to Sheffield United. His brother is at the club and he didn't have to move home. If there's one thing I can't stand it's Irish people who turn on a player because of an English club rivalry. I remember watching tv a few years ago when Sol Campbell was returning to White Hart Lane with Arsenal. A Spurs supporter from Ireland came on tv and told Sol Campbell that he wasn't welcome. Imagine, an Irishman telling an Englishman he's not welcome in his own country.

Fair play to Alan Quinn. If you ask me he was too loyal to Wednesday. He should have left them when they got relegated from the Premiership.

Well to be perfectly honest I couldn't give two craps about international football, hence I support Wednesday more than Ireland, just like I support Limerick more than Ireland, just like I couldn't give a toss when Ireland didn't make the World Cup, I've invested a lot more emotion following Wednesday than I have Ireland. And these 'facts' that you speak of come from a newspaper, and we all know how reliable British newspapers are don't we? Being a Wednesday fan I take my 'facts' from the e mails or bulletins that Wednesday send me out on average twice weekly for the last couple of years, and my info or the Quinn deal was what I was told by the club, so I'm gonna believe that, not some Yorkshire rag.

[TheJamaicanP.M.]

Well to be perfectly honest I couldn't give two craps about international football, hence I support Wednesday more than Ireland, just like I support Limerick more than Ireland, just like I couldn't give a toss when Ireland didn't make the World Cup, I've invested a lot more emotion following Wednesday than I have Ireland. And these 'facts' that you speak of come from a newspaper, and we all know how reliable British newspapers are don't we? Being a Wednesday fan I take my 'facts' from the e mails or bulletins that Wednesday send me out on average twice weekly for the last couple of years, and my info or the Quinn deal was what I was told by the club, so I'm gonna believe that, not some Yorkshire rag.

Lovely attitude for a "Limerickman". If you want to put Wednesday before your own country go ahead. As for reading a British newspaper, as bad as it is, its bound to be more factual than emails and bulletins from a club who are clearly not a 3rd party in the Alan Quinn episode. The tripe you're reading is more likely to be propaganda than the newspaper article. I can just imagine you with your collection of Sheffield Wednesday bulletins and video of The Full Monty on your bookshelf. The fact that you "invest" so much more "emotion" on Wednesday than your own country speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned. Whatever floats your boat as they say.

[Poor Student]

Lovely attitude for a "Limerickman". If you want to put Wednesday before your own country go ahead. As for reading a British newspaper, as bad as it is, its bound to be more factual than emails and bulletins from a club who are clearly not a 3rd party in the Alan Quinn episode. The tripe you're reading is more likely to be propaganda than the newspaper article. I can just imagine you with your collection of Sheffield Wednesday bulletins and video of The Full Monty on your bookshelf. The fact that you "invest" so much more "emotion" on Wednesday than your own country speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned. Whatever floats your boat as they say.

Right, you've been warned once. No smart arse answers. You want to question his priorities or right to support a foreign club then you can do it via PMs or somewhere else.

[jebus]

Lovely attitude for a "Limerickman". If you want to put Wednesday before your own country go ahead. As for reading a British newspaper, as bad as it is, its bound to be more factual than emails and bulletins from a club who are clearly not a 3rd party in the Alan Quinn episode. The tripe you're reading is more likely to be propaganda than the newspaper article. I can just imagine you with your collection of Sheffield Wednesday bulletins and video of The Full Monty on your bookshelf. The fact that you "invest" so much more "emotion" on Wednesday than your own country speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned. Whatever floats your boat as they say.

Did I not say, 'being a Wednesday fan' before explaining where I get my info from? Of course they are biased in their opinion, as I am too, in regards to Alan Quinn and all things Sheffield Wednesday, but show me a newspaper that doesn't have a bias, let alone a regional one, and I'll stop pointing out how inept your comments are.

And the fact that you judge a person's 'Irishness' on the level of interest they have in the national team speaks volumes in my opinion too. If you were British I'm sure you'd be the type to wear a Union Jack vest, thump your chest, and talk about the Great British Kingdom every time your country achieved any minor victory in sports, war, or whatever

[Poor Student]

Did I not say, 'being a Wednesday fan' before explaining where I get my info from? Of course they are biased in their opinion, as I am too, in regards to Alan Quinn and all things Sheffield Wednesday, but show me a newspaper that doesn't have a bias, let alone a regional one, and I'll stop pointing out how inept your comments are.

And the fact that you judge a person's 'Irishness' on the level of interest they have in the national team speaks volumes in my opinion too. If you were British I'm sure you'd be the type to wear a Union Jack vest, thump your chest, and talk about the Great British Kingdom every time your country achieved any minor victory in sports, war, or whatever

I said that's enough on this, that applies to all of you, not just Jamaican PM. You're all warned now.

[OwlsFan]

Anyway, getting back to my point which you didn't answer jebus. Any realistic football fan knows that it is the fans who are supporters through thick and thin, not the players who, unlike the fans, are paid to play for the club badge. Players = mercenaries. They'll score a goal, kiss the badge and next day be transferred and score a goal against their former team and kiss the badge again. Their loyalty is purely transient and to expect otherwise is unrealistic. I have heard Celtic players go on about Liam Miller is a similar vein.

A player is loyal so long as the pay cheque keeps coming in - fact of the modern game.

[jebus]

Anyway, getting back to my point which you didn't answer jebus. Any realistic football fan knows that it is the fans who are supporters through thick and thin, not the players who, unlike the fans, are paid to play for the club badge. Players = mercenaries. They'll score a goal, kiss the badge and next day be transferred and score a goal against their former team and kiss the badge again. Their loyalty is purely transient and to expect otherwise is unrealistic. I have heard Celtic players go on about Liam Miller is a similar vein.

A player is loyal so long as the pay cheque keeps coming in - fact of the modern game.

Understand what you are saying Owlsfan but the day football fans honestly stop believing that the players who play for their chosen club don't give one single damn about the club is the day footbal dies a death in my opinion. Every fan knows that in every club, including their own, there are merchanaries who are only at the club for the pay cheque, God only knows that Wednesday have had more than their fair share, De Bilde, Carbone, Ingeson to name but a few.

My beef with Alan Quinn however was his insistance that he was a Wednesday fan and that he was harshly booted out of the club. Now if he really were a Wednesday fan, he would a) never dream of putting on a Sheffield United jersey, b) stick the boot into the club on the ever of the Sheffield derby, fair enough if had done so to the board, but he shouldn't have done it to the club, and c) celebrated scoring the winner against us so fervently. I know you can counter with your initial argument about players having no loyalty to anything but the paycheck, but why then would Quinn make such a deal out of being a Wednesday fan when he now plays for United? I didn't think much of Alan Smith for joining Man United, and I'm not going to think much of Alan Quinn for joining Sheff Utd just because he is Irish. And anyone who thinks that Wednesday would actively get rid of Quinn, Bromby and Geary (three of our best players at the time) without at least offering them reduced terms in their contract negotiations have probably read too much into the negative press the Wednesday board get all the time. But talking about the board is an essay onto itself anyway and not for here

[OwlsFan]

Understand what you are saying Owlsfan but the day football fans honestly stop believing that the players who play for their chosen club don't give one single damn about the club is the day footbal dies a death in my opinion.

That's not quite what I said. I am in business and will do my best for my company and will try and do down the opposition. However, if I then change jobs and work for the opposition, then I'll do my best for my new company even if it is at the expense of my previous employer. So it is with footballers. Most do care about the club they play for at a given moment but once they change clubs, that's history. You are asking Quinn not to take an offer of a contract by the Blunts and to uproot himself to another city because Wednesday were his first club in England and perhaps not get as good an offer elsewhere. That's asking an awful lot of a young man doing his best to establish his career in England. I was disappointed he didn't do a Robbie Keane like celebration when he scores against a former club but no more than that. The Blunts fans wouldn't have appreciated a low key celebration I suspect.

[jebus]

[QUOTE=OwlsFan]That's not quite what I said. I am in business and will do my best for my company and will try and do down the opposition. However, if I then change jobs and work for the opposition, then I'll do my best for my new company even if it is at the expense of my previous employer. So it is with footballers. Most do care about the club they play for at a given moment [QUOTE]

Again I understand (or at least I think I do) what you are getting at, but there is a big differance between playing for a club, and working with a company in terms of loyalty. I know your point only too well, having worked for HMV, Virgin and Golden Discs at differant points I understand how company loyalty changes with each differant position, but in my opinion thats because thats all HMV, Virgin and Golden Discs every were to me, differant jobs. A football player draws most of his loyalty from the supporters of the club, not the paycheck (or at least he should anyway). I'd like to think that if I had 30,000 people cheering on my every sale at HMV I wouldn't have so easily changed loyalties with Virgin, and maybe if I hadn't been run out of Virgin with the threat of being sacked I wouldn't have smashed in all their windows on a drunken rampage

But my point is that if a player doesn't owe any loyalty to his employers at whatever club he plays for, then surely he still owes some loyalty to the fans who used to worship him?

[OwlsFan]

February 27, 2006

Sheffield United star Alan Quinn has been exonerated by his club following an internal
investigation into his arrest following a
brawl in the city last week.

Quinn, who courted controversy in the city by moving from Wednesday to United two years
ago, was allegedly involved in an incident
over a pool-table in a pub last weekend.

The development has compelled Blades boss
Neil Warnock to impose a pub ban on his squad even going so far as to urge fans to help him out with monitoring his squad's
social habits.

He said: "I'd ask Alan to look at himself.
He goes out to find a pool table in a
Sheffield Wednesday pub the day after we'd beaten our bitter rivals at Hillsborough.
Hello Alan ? Work it out for yourself, son.
It doesn't seem to have been the brightest idea he's ever had, that's for sure.

"It's up to the fans to help me now ? if
they see any member of my squad in a pub, club, bar, whatever, I want them to ring me up and tell me. If my players want to drink
they can get ****ed in the safety of their
own homes."

www.eleven-a-side.com

Just back from St Marys where I witnessed the 3-0 drubbing by Southampton.
It was particularly disappointing from an Irish point of view as Potter didn't play for the Saints while Partridge was wholly ineffective for the Owls and was substituted. Whelan made more misplaced passes than accurate ones and Coughlan, whole hearted player that he is, had an ordinary game Corr came on and did ok but is now out with a back injury for the rest of the season. Luckily Millwall and Brighton both lost as well so the 4 pt gap remains.

[Stuttgart88]

Luckily Millwall and Brighton both lost as well so the 4 pt gap remains.

It looks like you'll be OK, though more by default. Leicester, Owls & Brighton all have Irish interest. From a purely Irish perspective I think it's more important Leicester & Wednesday stay up.

McShane is only on loan so wouldn't be necessarily doomed to Div 1 football. Who knows what'll happen Henderson.

I think Paddy McCarthy would get a move higher if Leicester went down but I'd have concerns about all the SWFC contingent, despite the fact I rate Whelan.

[OwlsFan]

Whelan has gone off the boil I am afraid. Gives the ball away too easily. I fear for Partridge - next stop Barnsley unless he shows some improvement.

Nice ground St Mary's. 2500 travelling Wednesday fans made lots of noise including chants of "There's only one Harry Rednapp" which went down well with the locals

At least 4 other people on the plane going to the game. It's amazing to see all the different scarfs on a Saturday morning in Dublin airport. Never knew there were so many Wigan fans in Ireland.

[FarBeag]

Well to be perfectly honest I couldn't give two craps about international football, hence I support Wednesday more than Ireland, just like I support Limerick more than Ireland, just like I couldn't give a toss when Ireland didn't make the World Cup, I've invested a lot more emotion following Wednesday than I have Ireland. And these 'facts' that you speak of come from a newspaper, and we all know how reliable British newspapers are don't we? Being a Wednesday fan I take my 'facts' from the e mails or bulletins that Wednesday send me out on average twice weekly for the last couple of years, and my info or the Quinn deal was what I was told by the club, so I'm gonna believe that, not some Yorkshire rag.

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Unbelievable.