Gunthers squad.

**pete** · 13/05/2002, 11:10 AM

(Anythings better than working today so here goes.....)

I'm sure we've all noticed how many player have left city the recent seasons which seems to strangely have coincided with Liam Murphys arrival.

The only players left in the squad since Gunther took over as manager are: Devine, Horgan, Napier, Coughlan, Daly & Mulligan. I've not included Colin O'Brien or Mooney as I don't belive they will stay. Not sure if O'Rourke was there before he started as Manager.

This means only 1 non-defender who i suspect would not be staying unless still under contract.

I know a manager has to bring in the type of players he wants but surely this is overdoing it a bit?

Anyone else worried?

**�anna** · 13/05/2002, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by pete
Anyone else worried?

I was worried the day he took over and it's got worse ever since. The man is ineffective, incompetent and ignorant- OUT OUT OUT

**Pablo** · 13/05/2002, 12:53 PM

i hate the man as much as the rest of ye. but i honestly belive we should get behind the team and management this year. if it doesnt go right then he has no choice but to go, but with the new signings, and hopefully a striker or 2 to come, things look on the up?

**S�C** · 13/05/2002, 1:14 PM

Originally posted by pete
Not sure if O'Rourke was there before he started as Manager.

O'Rourke made his debut in the Mountfield days up in Belfield on the coldest day ever recorded in history, I think it was Stephen's Day that the Match was on but I aint sure.

League of Ireland Clubs seem to have a very high turnover of players in general, Cork City are no exception to this, sure look at the 11 players Bohs had on the field against K'luatern and look at their starting 11 now.

**Pablo** · 13/05/2002, 1:23 PM

o god that day in Belfield.......it was the coldest day in History! City were crap....and we got caught in a bizzard on the way home.......the joys of it

**niamh** · 13/05/2002, 1:36 PM

Originally posted by Pablo
we should get behind the team and management this year.

In fairness they are going about the right things since the end of the season. Every manager deserves a chance, even though Gunther is on his infinite one.
He will practically have a new team this season, so it will be interesting to see what he makes of it. We should be behind the team no matter who the manager is and what sort of crap they play. Teams will not improve with fans on their back.

**pete** · 13/05/2002, 2:16 PM

Teams will not improve with fans on their back.

Thats why foot.ie should be used for the bitchin' & moaning

Can support the team during the games then.

Given the lack of enthuasism at home games last year (luckily i missed a lot of those "performances") if the team doesn't get off to a good start not even friday evening footie will keep the crowds up.

**Troy.McClure** · 13/05/2002, 4:51 PM

Originally posted by Pablo
i hate the man as much as the rest of ye. but i honestly belive we should get behind the team and management this year. if it doesnt go right then he has no choice but to go, but with the new signings, and hopefully a striker or 2 to come, things look on the up?

If ye want him out, then dont give him any excuses.

One of his last year was that the fans were acting against the team and affecting their preformances and if you look at the stats, you will see that City only won 2 more matches at home than away, and indeed lost as many matches at home than away. Im sure that most people will say that our best performances were generally away from home (notably the Rovers 3:1 win in Inchicore but followed by the 0:1 loss in the Cross the week after), so if ye SUPPORT THE TEAM ALL THROUGH THE SEASON we will either a) Get on quite well or b) Get a new manager for next year. Either way, everybody's happy.Easy

**�anna** · 14/05/2002, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Pablo
i hate the man as much as the rest of ye. but i honestly belive we should get behind the team and management this year.

NO NO AND NO AGAIN!

Thats why he's still in the job! When we lose half of the ground calls for his head, and then one goal a fortnight later and everyones happy again- if people had stuck to their convictions like some of us have and consistently berated gunther for his stupidity and poor management, he'd have been gone a long time ago and we'd all be much happier.

**Pablo** · 14/05/2002, 11:50 AM

i just think if we put too much energy into hating Gunther and not enough into supporting the team...antone notice the stmosphere this year>?

**Colm** · 14/05/2002, 3:05 PM

I have always and will continue to support the team but that doesnt mean that I must support Gunther. I will not back Gunther as long as he continues to use crap tactics, use the Hoof, make idiotic excuses and insult the fans. If he undergoes a complete change of character during the close season then I will give him my full backing.

**Troy.McClure** · 14/05/2002, 3:49 PM

Originally posted by �anna

NO NO AND NO AGAIN! Thats why he's still in the job! When we lose half of the ground calls for his head, and then one goal a fortnight later and everyones happy again- if people had stuck to their convictions like some of us have and consistently berated gunther for his stupidity and poor management, he'd have been gone a long time ago and we'd all be much happier.

If you do that then the CLUB could easily fall into an endless downward spiral. Remember that the club relyes so much on gate reciepts and I really do feel that the negative atmosphere created (primarily in the Shed) does turn people off going to the ground.
I know that its hard to have a positive outlook and atmosphere when the teams performances arent great, but surely helping the team lift their performancs can only be good for everyone? As a fan and a supporter, you should do all you can by getting behind the team and the club & like it or not, that has to include to some extent, the manager.
Someone has to take the first positive step on the road to success, lets make it the fans!

**niamh** · 15/05/2002, 11:16 AM

The point is that there is a footballing public in Cork...the International games at the Cross proved that. It's the perceived lack of decent football on display at Turners Cross week in week out that is keeping people away.

If proper football is played and is seen to be played, the people will come....

**James** · 15/05/2002, 11:23 AM

and who choose's what type of football is played at the cross.... ?

**niamh** · 15/05/2002, 11:26 AM

We all know who does. My point was simply that there is a football crowd in Cork and they would come IF good football was played.

**�anna** · 15/05/2002, 11:30 AM

Originally posted by niamh
We all know who does. My point was simply that there is a football crowd in Cork and they would come IF good football was played.

hence my determination to see that idiot hit the high road ASAP

**A face** · 15/05/2002, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Pablo
i hate the man as much as the rest of ye. but i honestly belive we should get behind the team and management this year. if it doesnt go right then he has no choice but to go, but with the new signings, and hopefully a striker or 2 to come, things look on the up?

My sentiments anyway, T�g go bog � feens, It is a short season and alot of change has taken place, alot of new players in the door who will think the support for City are sad whingin' b@stards if we have an atmosphere like last year, ..... And none of us want that now do we !! ** shakes finger and frowns ** Right around now might be the right time to take you finger out of your hole and start to support your club, shut up moanin' and lighten up. I mean we all know why b!tch smaking was invented, quit the pessimistic pedantic bull cacca and sing you mothers !!! Sing i tells ya .... Sing. Whos got the flares and confetti and what is the new song you all want to sing, oh yeah .... i bags the seat at the back of the bus for away games ALL YEAR, i said it first you smucks and thats all about it !!

**James** · 15/05/2002, 4:48 PM

Originally posted by A face
. Whos got the flares and confetti

well FAO face: flares are now banned by the FAI and CCFC at Turners Cross and other eircom league grounds, AFAIK ... so use them at your own risk..

**Troy.McClure** · 15/05/2002, 4:49 PM

Originally posted by niamh
If proper football is played and is seen to be played, the people will come....

Not neccerally true IMO. People will always look down on the eL. There was fantastic football the year we won the cup, you could even say sexy football but the crowds still wernt fantastic except for the big 4 games. I remember being at a match against some one like Shels one week that I could barely squeeze into the Shed, but the next week there were only a few hundred (it was against UCD). I think that it shows that City have a good/fair core support, but that the money is to be made from passive supporters.
Getting back to your point, I think that people's opinion of U21 International soccer is higher than the eL, aswell as the fact that it was a "once off" match + there was the chance you could be watching 'the next big thing'. Id say that many people at that match have never, and will never go to an eL match until the profile of the league in general is lifted. If good quality football guarenteed good gates, then Shels would have fans!

**pete** · 15/05/2002, 5:23 PM

Originally posted by Troy.McClure
Getting back to your point, I think that people's opinion of U21 International soccer is higher than the eL, aswell as the fact that it was a "once off" match + there was the chance you could be watching 'the next big thing'. Id say that many people at that match have never, and will never go to an eL match until the profile of the league in general is lifted. If good quality football guarenteed good gates, then Shels would have fans!

Yup, novelty factor of u-19/21 footie under lights must have bboosted crowd by several thousands too.

However underage internationals are a good opportunity for city to get new people to visit the crowd & realise the facilities not oo bad. Tempting those people to go to a few eL games is the hard bit.....