QuoteExplain that one. We have our tax clearance cert for next year but the FAI have said the 2005 one will doOriginally Posted by thejollyrodger
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What about the improvements to the viewing slope though?! You disobeyed the FAI!!! Out!!!
Explain that one. We have our tax clearance cert for next year but the FAI have said the 2005 one will do
KOH
galway have 1700 covered seats plus another 2,000 in the pipeline. The league will be based on set criteria including facilities but the biggest problem for most clubs will be financial and the ceiling of 65% of turnover being spent on wages. As ive said we had an Open forum already about this with Genesis and until other clubs follow suit supporters will be kept in the dark.
I personally wouldn't be confident - but I'd harzard a guess that only a handful (if that) would. However, we've at least put money into the ground - one of the clubs mentioned is full time (for the second time in the last few years) with only around 200 seats (covered or otherwise). It show's totally what is wrong with the league imo - focus on the playing side at the expense of infrastructure. And the eL sanction this by failing to implement their own rules.
Tell me, how long should Harps be exempted until the stadium is built? Or Drogheda or UCD? Just so long as they say they're planning on building a new ground.
If clubs have planning permission and are waiting on funds then maybe, possibly if they have an active planning application, but not just because they've done a press release with a nice picture of a proposed stand.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Seeing as you're in the know about this (even though it's already been pointed out that Genesis hasn't been implemented, just released for comment with a second draft due out to take feedback into consideration; and I was part of one group which was "consulted"), what happens if there's an 10-team Premier initiated and 12 teams get the licence? Or 8? Are we picking the ten with the biggest crowds? Are we going to let Kilkenny (for example) into the super league on accounts of their nice ground if they finish bottom of this mangled-league?
This isn't meant to be a personal sleight - just backing up my original point that the people running the league are a shower of gobsh!tes.
league Position will come into it as it does now but there will be no fudging on the criteria as set out in Genesis.Im not in the know but i have learned a hell of a lot in the last two weeks after the open forum.
Personally if there has to be an interim solution why not a 22 team league playing each other twice for one season which makes more sense and as for the super league i would prefer a 16 team one but i doubt if that will happen.
If there is no major restructuring the league will die make no mistaj=ke about that.
As for the gob****es who run the league its actually the 22 clubs who do this and until we have a proper professional administration with people independent of the league and FAI involved we will never move forward.
Agree. But playing 42 games is too much so hence the tinkering going on now. Remember if 15 clubs vote for it at the agm its in.
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Having thought about this some more it could be that the 22-team league proposal may be influenced by the not entirely off the wall presumption that the vast majority of clubs may not get the premier license or perhaps even the lower grade license next year. In that case you could be left with a few teams with a premier license, a bunch with the first and some with none at all. Rather than kicking some out, having a tiny premier and a big first it's make more sense to give more time and lump the 22 in together.
Just a theory!
As for our stadium- it is frustratingly slow but progress is being made. It's a very very complicated deal indeed. I take your point about how these things shouldn't be indefinate, but we have planning permission, a detailed plan on how things will proceed etc.
I think we should get every team in the league to send their best player to a massive 3 and in tournament and decide who gets into the superleague from there.
Our best player's our keeper!!!
I still don't really see the point of an interim season. Surely clubs should be able to plan for the future at the same time as running the present? To say they need a year without pressure - during which time, they'll still have to run the team, pay the bills, meet the budgets - just to get their houses in order for 2007 is a bit much surely? A pointless season - on the pitch at least - could seriously hit the crowds too, which is the last thing the league needs.
I don't believe it, we've not even tried the 'three and in' approach yet and you're looking for a format change! There is no hope for this league.....
Stu you say you were one of the people consulted by Genesis for their report.
What kind of questions did they ask.
How did they frame their inquiry.
I take it by you use of the gobsh*te word you wern't too impressed by them.
Cogito ergo Bohs
This is f@cking maddness...Why can't they let their 12 team Premier bed in for god sake, I don't hear anybody complaining about the current format being unfair. And while I'm at it, how the sh1t do we end up in the "South" barrell??Not that it makes a blind bit of difference. Hopefully the clubs will have the sense not to entertain this boll0x for more than 5 minutes.
Is someone seriously suggesting that thw League Champions be forced to play half their season with the minnows of the country. No disrespect to teams listed there but only Pats & Waterford would give us a game.South prem Clubs:- Bray Wanderers, Cork City, Dublin City, St Patrick's Athletic, UCD, Waterford Utd. First Div Clubs:-Cobh Ramblers, Galway Utd, Kildare County, Kilkenny City, Limerick FC
How can clubs budget or even set small things like season ticket prices if changing so suddenly.
eL clubs with sense- that's crazy talk man, crazy talk I tell you!the clubs will have the sense
Well I think Galway Harps has hit the nail on the head. It's just another way of fudging the licence, just on a league wide scale. There's talk of the tax clearance cert requirement being either next years or this years ffs.
It wasn't really aimed at any club in particular, just at the ongoing fudge by the eL.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
My opinion is that this is happening a year to early. The league should be deciding now how to start the season in March 2007, not next March. I went to a play-off between DCFC and SRFC. Can I have my fiver back if it turns out that that game was meaningless?
WTF? That's downright insane!It's just another way of fudging the licence, just on a league wide scale. There's talk of the tax clearance cert requirement being either next years or this years ffs.
Couldn't agree more with GUFCT.
People need to pay attention to what GUFCT is saying - this is going to happen in 2007 and as it stands only a tiny handful of clubs will be eligible - GUFC being one of them.
For the 2007 season the top 10 ten clubs on the pitch with a licence will be in the Super League. So if Shels (for instance) finish top but don't get a licence (for tax reasons maybe?
But if Galway, Harps or Rovers (again for instance
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I should clarify. I was part of the initial NLSA grouping which was formed in the aftermath of the FAI screwing the eL fans over on tickets for the Israel game. We had a meeting with the FAI, during which we resolved the ticet issue to our satisfaction, and in discussing other things, the FAI mentioned the upcoming Genesis report and asked if we would make a contribution to this. We agreed.
For whatever reason, the meeting between us and Genesis never went ahead. I don't know the full story, but I think Genesis rang one of our members, was talknig to him initially but afterwards couldn't contact him. We never heard anything more. This is depiste the fact that the seven or so of us at the original FAI meeting had all given names and mobile numbers, so we were all contactable. The NLSA person concerned was also unhappy at suggestions he had been uncontactable.
As I say, I don't know the full story behind that, so don't use the above to make judgements one way or the other.
Anyway, we decided as time ticked by that we'd do up our own document and send it into Genesis. We did this - it's up on the NLSA website at www.NLSupporters.com, though the website is on the blink at the moment - and are credited in the white paper as one of the groups consulted. However, Genesis never contacted us to explore our ideas further, as far as I'm aware.
Genesis made no attempt to contact any other supporters' groups - e.g. supporters' clubs, which is strange, as you would have thought supporters would have been the single most important stakeholders in the league. They appear overall to be fairly amateurish in my opinion - the above oversight, attendance figures robbed from here on the basis that they were "publicly available" (direct quote), etc., etc. The thread here at the time carried many negative opinions on the report, which I'm not going to rehash. It worries me slightly that a group who have shown such unprofessionalism (in my opinion, obviously) are now having their report being used as the basis for such radical recommendations on the league's future.
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