Hoops down and out

**RedX** · 27/11/2005, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Really??

Licence revoked,
8 points deducted,
Most points dropped to Finn Harps, (8)
Boss suspended 3 times
11 players dismissed
No less than 12 home defeats

Relegation by default to Home Farm

If that is not a bad season, I wonder what is????

In fairness mypost if you read back over what i posted i said Rovers did not have a bad season on the pitch considering what they went through with all the problems you listed..your CLUB had a disastrous season but i was making a different point which is clear to see...

**BohDiddley** · 27/11/2005, 2:28 PM

Sorry if I don't fully share in the doom and gloom Philo.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=13332
(don't know if this link works without login)
Martin Fitzpatrick of Shelbourne and the Sindo is mourning the loss of Rovers too. I'm not going to dance on their grave, but I really think that this misty-eyed mass grieving, with Eamonn Sweeney at it too, is going too far. The relegation of SRFC is a tragedy, for SRFC fans. My only regret is that it has been achieved at the expense of our having to go to CHF matches next season.
They fully deserved to go down, and they did. The rest, as is evident from a reading of these articles, is nostalgia. Perhaps it's older fans' fear of change; perhaps it's the coincidence with the demise of poor old Georgie Best.
The sun will come up tomorrow, with or without SRFC. To be perfectly honest, I'm not that exercised about it. Clubs get relegated every year, don't they?
Just now, there is some hope for Irish football. As mentioned in the NFSRA's excellent response to Genesis, crowds are significanty up in recent years (I'm assuming this reliably established). The Corkies won, and that's better for the game than another dull Shelbourne victory. What matters is the present and the future, not the past.
There is no apocalypse. The end is not nigh. We do not have to go and follow Wigan.

**Philo** · 27/11/2005, 2:54 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

Sorry if I don't fully share in the doom and gloom Philo.

No gloom and doom BD - just basically saying that it's a load of c�ck if Rovers think they are too big/famous/important/valuable to go down. They're just the same as every other club - only worse because they got relegated. At the same time I recognise that it could happen to any club as we're all only just keeping heads above the water. Rovers supporters' historical arrogance has not helped them one bit and I'm delighted that a set of fans who thought they were in a different league... now literally are!

Don't get me wrong at all - like Rachel Byrne, I'm loving it!

**Derek** · 27/11/2005, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

My only regret is that it has been achieved at the expense of our having to go to CHF matches next season.
They fully deserved to go down, and they did.

So we can take lots more points off you lot, I seem to remember the last time we were in the prem we managed to beat you

**goattail** · 27/11/2005, 11:12 PM

I dont know how he thinks they had a fine season but it wasnt their worst ever, they did finish bottom one season but there was only one division at the time and they were naturaly voted back in for the following season. Still considering the obstacles like loosing players, suspended manager etc. they did quite well and would of survived if it hadnt been for the points reduction (so no NohDiddly they didnt deserve to go down). Yet again the club suffers because of scumbag owners.

He is right about the 400clubs decision to suspend Roddy before the play offs, I couldnt believe they did that and it damaged my trust in their ability to manage some aspects of the club. They should of left it alone until after the playoffs and then they could of done whatever they liked in the off season. The 400 club could be the best thing to happen to the club but it could also turn out to be a total disaster if they try running the club as fans instead of buisnessmen who love the club (i.e. not going to screw it over for money). Also democracy has no place in buisness or football, they need strong leadership not clashing personalities which is bound to happen at some stage in the future. I dont want to sound critical of them after all they have done (like saving the club from extinction) but that suspensions timing has made me wary of them.

And yes Home Farm are in the premiership on merit so they deserve their success but here for many teams it is a case survival above all else and 3 traveling HF fans arent going to help that cause, on the other hand Im sure their are a few happier accountants in the first division now. On the other hand I hope Sligo do well, a strong western team will be good for the league.

**sligoman** · 27/11/2005, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by goattail

He is right about the 400clubs decision to suspend Roddy before the play offs, I couldnt believe they did that and it damaged my trust in their ability to manage some aspects of the club. They should of left it alone until after the playoffs and then they could of done whatever they liked in the off season.

In fairness, if O'Neill had managed to keep ye up then you would be praising the 400's club decision to suspend Roddy but because it hasn't worked out that way your criticising them for it.

**goattail** · 27/11/2005, 11:35 PM

Not at all, I was furious when I found out before the first playoff match, wether they stayd in the premier division for another season or not they showed a willingless to take a plainly stupid decision. I dont want to be critical towards them but ever since that moment I dont trust them, cant help think of that interfering pratt who won the lottory and bought the club in that godawfull Sky series, only saw the adds for it but Im sure it didnt turn out well.

**Macy** · 28/11/2005, 7:13 AM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

crowds are significanty up in recent years (I'm assuming this reliably established).

You do know genesis used a thread on here to establish that FACT, don't you*?

*Or rather a site that took the figures from the attendance thread here

**Krstic** · 28/11/2005, 8:17 AM

Really sad to see Shamrock Rovers go down.

It's like the Premiership in England without UTD or Liverpool, or the Scottish Premier League without Celtic or Rangers.

Hope they come straight back up, and bring Finn Harps with you (short away trip and 9 points a season for Derry)

**Drumcondra Red** · 28/11/2005, 8:26 AM

Who gives a fcuk if they were relegated, they weren't good enough and thats that, in fairness most Rovers fans are willing to take this on the chin and get on with things!

Rovers at present are just a name, a set of hooped jerseys, an illustrious history and super supporters.

Why do certain, non-Rovers fans on this think its sad to see them go etc. they failed this season and cheated by handing in incorrect accounts, I think they're lucky to even be in the 1st Division! Just because they have an impressive history, doesn't give them a divine right to stay in the Premier league!!!

**Dodge** · 28/11/2005, 8:34 AM

Ireland's 2 most succesful clubs (arguably) are now in the first. Others like Drums and all the great Cork sides are worse off. irish football just keeps chugging on.

**LFC in Exile** · 28/11/2005, 8:57 AM

MARK O'NEILL-CUMMINS' EIRCOM LEAGUE FOCUS:
If Dublin City and Sligo Rovers can get out of that league, surely Rovers can.

Eamonn Sweeney:
There may be tougher times to come for the faded aristocrats. Division One can be a bit like a crack habit, easy enough to fall into but pure hell to get out of. Next season, every club will be looking to take a scalp they can never have expected to be on offer, and it will take a good manager to motivate players for those trips to Kilkenny, Cobh and Monaghan.

Limerick and Athlone know just how hard it is to get out of the dead zone and the debilitating effect of a prolonged stay.

There you have in a nutshell the flawed analysis of a Shamrock Rovers fan (and while not all fans would share the view from any I have spoken to the feeling is the same) who thinks Rovers will just bounce right back because "they're all muck down there". Sweeney supports a team who have been there (as I do - for 12 long bloody years). If Rovers think it is handy to bounce back (because Sligo and Dublin City can do it) they are in for a massive land.

I don't like Rovers (Shamrock that is) but I was sad for their fans on Friday night. Relegation is sh1tty. But you still have a club....

**Dodge** · 28/11/2005, 9:11 AM

Just a word on the fitness. I literally couldn't believe how slow Rovers were on Friday. Molloy a shadow of his former self. Sheridan a joke. And nobody in the back four could keep pace with your man Collins

**thomas** · 28/11/2005, 9:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Just a word on the fitness. I literally couldn't believe how slow Rovers were on Friday. Molloy a shadow of his former self. Sheridan a joke. And nobody in the back four could keep pace with your man Collins

Agreed. I doubt they could have kept pace with Roddy nevermind Robby.
Business decisions have to be taken in the best interests of the company, be careful not to ix up the playing side with the business aspect.

**BohDiddley** · 28/11/2005, 9:47 AM

Originally Posted by Macy

You do know genesis used a thread on here to establish that FACT, don't you*?

*Or rather a site that took the figures from the attendance thread here

Well, Macy, you may have noticed that I have cautious as to whether it is, indeed, FACT. It would be worthwhile having reliable evidence one way or t'other. I suppose the essence of what I am saying is that, contrary to popular belief, and for all its troubles, Irish football is not quite dying on its feet, and especially not because the Rovers nostalgia industry finally has run out of both credibility and sepia.

**pete** · 28/11/2005, 10:55 AM

I would think only a handful of last fridays players started the season with Rovers. Most of the current squad seemed to be found in junior, youth or retirement football which would explain the lack of fitness.

CHF have no crowds in the 1st division & they managed to get promoted this year which would mean good signs for Riovers. Teams based around the pale have natural advantage as yoyo clubs as can pick up players from other teams relatively easily...

**OwlsFan** · 28/11/2005, 12:46 PM

As a "lapsed" Rovers fan of the Frank O'Neill, Mick Leech, Johnny Fulham generation, I am just amazed that it's taken Rovers this long to be relegated after Kilcoyne sold one of the best LOI grounds - supported by DUnphy of course - from under them. And but for the deduction of 8 points it wouldn't have happened this season either. As the words of the rival supporters used to go:

Kilcoyne is our hero,
he wears a hero's hat.
He got his hands on Milltown
and said "I'll be cashing that".
He could have taken Rovers
to Eircom league success;
instead he sold their ground
they're just a fcuking mess.

Louis Kilcoyne then became President of the FAI - how he ever managed that is beyond me. He had to resign later but that was poor consolation and even then Dunphy was at his side supporting him. May he from this day on never have rest, to die alone and in pain, may his lungs burn, may he go to prison to become the pox ridden sex slave of everyone there. May he be cursed with skin ulcers and boils, and rotting of the flesh, his body becoming so foul that even the hyenas, rats and maggots will not be able to eat his diseased meat - and that's only for Dunphy!!

With a ground, Rovers will be back. Without a ground in the next 5 years, the Club will die like Cork Celtic, Cork Hibs and Drums before them.