QuoteHe won it in 2000.Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Whatever about the football writers not voting for Keane, why do you think that his fellow professionals couldn't see it and didn't vote for him for the PFA award if he was so deserving ?
He won it in 2000.
I know. I posted that already. It was just the comment that he should have won it every year since he was born (and before) I was questioning
Absolutly no doubt about Keane's influence in the game you mention and over his career. But I don't think you quite grasp the meaning of Brady having "far more talent". What exactly was that 'talent'? His talent in a nutshell was influencing games as "playmaker supreme",
as in "gliding through tackles, spraying inch-perfect passes around the pitch"
"he alone who possessed the attacking guile to break down opposition defences"
"the onus was on Brady as playmaker supreme".
I suppose I am biased, I witnessed his debut against Russia, only a George Best debut could have had the indelible impact that Brady made on us (the origional green army!) that famous day. There were no cameras there the day he (singlehandedly) dismantled and humiliated a Juve team with a magnificent display in 1979.
I was at that game too, against the might of the Soviet Union, a half day from school, unofficial of course, and 25p admission.
There were cameras that day and RTE have shown Givens' hat-trick a number of times over the past few years along with some clips of Brady's skills..
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"It's time for the FAI to grow up." John O'Donoghue, Minister for Sport, RTE , Sunday 7 Nov 2004
Was it because he kept trying to break their legs?
Glad you shared the experience. Yes of course there was a camera there in Dalymount.
I wrote "There were no cameras there the day he (singlehandedly) dismantled and humiliated a Juve team with a magnificent display in 1979".
Bergkamp who won it as well wouldn't exactly be a wilting lilly either when it comes to late tackles etc..
Shearer won it as well - I often wondered what he said to Keane who went ballistic at the comment and got sent off. Anyone know ?
ya its on a dvd, the greatest irish soccer sporting moments!!! i have it so its def there!!There were cameras that day and RTE have shown Givens' hat-trick a number of times over the past few years along with some clips of Brady's skills..
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Never mind the cameras. I was there getting crushed as a kid under the shed waiting for the roof to collapse in with the other people sitting on top of it. One of the great days at Dalymount followed by a 4-0 thrashing of Turkey with Givens getting all 4 that day if my memory serves we right. This was the start of us actually winning some international games. Before that we went along to see Dunphy & Co lose at home to Hungary, Austria etc etc.
Was too young for Russia. I rember Brady's winner against France in 1977? First Irish game I watched on telly.
I don't disagree with anything you say about Brady. I just think that Brady is perceived as being more talented in the classical sense (hence my flippant keepy uppy remark). I'm not sure I understand the finer point of your post. Both great players but very different. And the original post was "will we ever..." not " have we ever..." which is why I didn't refer to Brady at the start.
Who was my childhood hero? Easy.
You can tell from my signature what I think about the original Green Army.
Juve 1979: 1-1 at Highbury. 1-0 in Turin (Vaessen). Humiliated? Or have I the wrong game? Maybe that was 1980 Euro CWC.
I can't rightly remember the Perrin thread had me going.
"Brady was far more talented but I've never seen anyone exert as much influence on a game of football as Keane".
I have seen Brady's talent and his talent translated into overflowing buckets of influence for Ireland, influencing a game from start to finish from box to box. Liam controlled games, that was his thing, in a very different way to Keane. Brady was every much a winner, ambitious and a perfectionist as Roy but without the destructive baggage. The Juve game (yes 1980) is just an obvious comparison with Roy. Liam has done the Juve thing about 2 or 3 hundred times.
"Liam Brady however rates the two legs of the 1980 semi final of the Cup Winners Cup against Juventus as the biggest achievement of any Arsenal team he played in. Brady again was unstoppable and showed the Italians just how good he was. Since they couldn't stop him fairly they resorted to try and kick him of the park."
"The away leg was not shown on TV due to Forest playing in a European Cup final that night. Brady had been immense in both legs"
Juve signed Liam after that.
I would revise your statement to read Brady was far more talented and more influential. All that for 2 words but Liam has earned them.
Excellent
I listened to it all on radio 2 as it was then. I was overjoyed when Vaessen scored right at the very end. Shame about the final though.
Point taken on Brady! My favourite Brady game was his last at Lansdowne (?) against Bulgaria, right at the end of his career.
"Keepy Uppy"????
You're in England too long Stutty..
Heads and Volley's my friend....
As in "How many heads and volleys can you do?"
or
"Fancy a game of Heads and Volleys". (A knock out game due lives lost based on heads and volley's conceded by the keeper. Some regional variations on rules but generaly two lives lost for a head, one for a volley. Any wides, overs or un-volleyed scores resulted in that person taking his place in goal.)
Keepy uppy indeed! I'd have had my sexuality brought into question. if I called it "keepy uppy" where i grew up.
Hooghoudtienen (Keep Up Tens) is what it's called in Amsterdam.
one for a volley, two for a header and three for an overhead volley
Having seen both at their prime it's hard to say which was the better player since both were very different midfielders. Brady is the better passer and had the ability to beat a player. Keane the box to box midfielder who seldom gave away possession and could win it back.
If I had to choose between the two in an Irish team, I'd go for Keane on the grounds that he offers so much both in defence and attack.
The fates conspired against Liam in Euro 88 and Italia 90 and perhaps that's perhaps one of the reasons he was particularly trenchant in his attack on Keane for Saipan - never having had the opportunity himself to play in such a tournament for Ireland.
It must have had a bearing on how he viewed the Saipan incident. To be honest having lost out on playing in a major finals I wouldn't blame him for not apprecating Keane's decision.
"I'd rather play in front of a full house than an empty crowd" Johnny Giles
I am sure it left an impression.
Even if he had not experienced the hurt of missing the '88 Finals, Liam would not have supported Roy.
As a captain of his country at the world cup finals it would be inconceivable for Liam to walk out or get himself in a situation where he would be sent home.
That sense of professionalism was a consistant theme throughout Liam's footballing life for his clubs and country no matter who was the manager.
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