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ask any ireland fans would they prefer sturrock to Keane as he has more coaching qualifications and see what the response would be.
This Ireland fan would say Sturrock.
In fact, ABK.
no I think he took over from them on his own a few years later....85? 86?..(i only glanced thru the article) I have a deffinite memory of it being debated on the saint & greavsie. I think they came to the conclusion that it was a funny old game.Originally Posted by geysir
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ask any ireland fans would they prefer sturrock to Keane as he has more coaching qualifications and see what the response would be.
This Ireland fan would say Sturrock.
In fact, ABK.
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
What are peoples views on Roy Keane to be the next manager
Sign him up as what? Manager?Sign him up FAI, sign him up NOW!
- No more friendlies cause I dont do friendlies
- I didnt pick Duff in case he gets injured and cant play for his club on Saturday
- I dont mind sitting in the back of the plane so that John O'Shea can have a first class seat
- When Robboe Keane comes into a players meeting and f**ks and blinds at me calling me a Cork cnut who only payed for Ireland when I felt like it, I will say 'Thanks Robbie, I value your opinion'
Yeah right, manage a team not until he can manage himself
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
Firstly I don't use my own coaching experience, I do however use my knowledge of the coaching system to try to understand what is required for someone to reach the top international manager level. you seem to think well it's roy, he's great, he was captain, he'll be brilliant....it's ridicuolous and two pages of posts have yet to give a valid argument as to why he's better than anything else out there. I operate on the lowest level of the coaching scale but I can appreciate the time and effort these top coaches put into these courses and qualifications. I don't think they should then be passed by on jobs by someone who might knows a lot becuase he was a captain in ENgland.....as I said if it's all about being a great player and captain, give the job to Bryan Robson - at least he's experienced and qualified or better still give it to Paddy Vieira, his experience of winning a world cup and european championship might prove vital for us! laughable.
Again we come from different view points. It;'s all about records and results for you and not coaching ability. How many times have you seen good coaches fail in one position and do an excellent job in another. Are you honestly telling me that Roy Keane is more suitable for this position with zero experience than any of the expereinced managers mentioned....Venables, Hiddink, O'Neill, George Graham even kevin keegan. you can slag off records of people all you want but it doesn't change the fact they are more qualified and have more experience for the job and are more than capable of doing a good job with our limited resources.
I don't know what you are trying to suggest here but whatever it is, it's petty and irrelvent. I stated that I hope the FAi don't try to make a majority of the fans happy by appointing a player with no experience into our managerial position just because he's Irish and that people will feel good about it. We need to make the right appointment, not one for the media and glory hunters to have a field day on. Fu*k this one up and we will be looking at half empty stadiums shortly.
So you want our next international manager to neglect anyone currently below the international level because they'll prove themselves with their club - u just want him to work with the team he has and not look to the future?? You don't want him to be involved with our youth international teams and try to have the same tactical setup right through our youth development system and make transition from youth to international level easier. It's not his responsibilty, great!! Enough said.....it's all about winning, records, captains and the senior team...shag the rest! And I'm blinkered.....!!!!!!!!! I'm done on this one, consider me out of the topic !
Last edited by Karlos; 18/11/2005 at 10:59 PM.
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Sheesh, Karlos is administering an utter beating on Klein4. It's almost difficult to read.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
No. I don't think that Keane is either ready or willing to go into international management as of yet. People are putting 2 + 2 together and getting 5 here. Him leaving Man Yoo is just coincidental, no need to get excited. The only place Roy is off to is a club within reasonable proximity to his home. Celtic looks most likely and he has in the past expressed a desire to wind up his career there.
I am a United fan but I am against giving the Ireland job to someone with no experience. In my own opinion if they are to do that then why sack Brian Kerr? They'll be replacing a manager with no or limited experience for another. The next manager will be critical in turning our fortunes around and its too big a risk. We need a proven track record for this one.
I do think that the FAI are in a bit of a fix at present though. Gus Hiddink would have been my own choice for the job but that door has now been shut with the Soceroos qualification. The FAI surely had him shortlisted and sadly it looks like its going to go to a third or fourth choice candidate, if even that.
Too risky IMO, he's a complete unknown in terms of coach. Also noone knows if he wants to play on for another few years (if so then I dont think him being manager is realistic), or if he is interested in being the coach. FAI should see if he wants some involvement in our youth team process or something, then we can see how he does at man-management.
Still think the best candidate is MON, if he becomes coach I can't see us not getting to Euro 2008, he is world class and the FAI should break the bank for him and let him work the hours he wants.
I still don't see how Hiddink is no longer available. He'll almost certainly not be involved with Australia come the end of June. Someone on this forum said he's not staying at PSV beyond next year either. Is that true?
I see no reason why negotiations with Hiddink couldn't begin now or in the new year.
Also, maybe I'm being naive, but if you scrutinise O'Neill's quotes he simply said he's not available for the foreseeable future. O'Neill is smart enough to know how vague that is.
On Keane, I've mixed views. My first instinct is that he'd just be too big a risk right now because of his volatile temperament which could cause clashes with his employers, his players & the media. But maybe if he was assisted by a trusted calming influence like Denis Irwin, who knows?
One of the key failings that the FAI identified in Kerr - the inability to see what changes are required during the course of a game - is not guaranteed to be solved by appointing Keane. It could be that his experience as a player gives him this ability. I honestly don't know how well Keane can read a game from the dugout. None of us does yet.
I think Keane himself admits he's got a way to go to get to the level of coaching skill required.
I think a partial return to the irreverend attitude towards the opposition of Jack's & Mick's tenors is required to get the Irish competitive again. Recapturing team spirit is important. Could Keane promote this? I've no doubt Keane would be as meticulous as Kerr on the logistical side, one of Kerr's positive features.
I'd like to think an experienced coach like Hiddink or O'Neill, or A.N. Other will be appointed with people like Keane, Staunton etc. being in the frame next time around. You don't get the benefit of a honeymoon period in international football. 2 bad competitive results and that's it for another campaign.
I fear Delaney will opt for a well known but not necesarily talented candidate which is why a professional search firm could help - they might, just might, identify an outlier none of us would have considered. Like Celtic did with Janssen for example.
PS: any chance Keane's next move would be to Cork City, helping them towards the Champs League? Think of what it'd do to the profile of our domestic league.
I watched the second half in my local in NW London last night with a naff Race Night being blasted out on the big screen & PA. It was like a scene from Phoenix Nights! Well done City on their achievements on & off the pitch. Turners Cross last night was everything an eL atmosphere should be like. Unlucky Derry. Well done for making the league so interesting from afar.
Its not about when he took over at Ajax its about that you wrote that he was hired only because of his big name.
if you read the article, Cruyff at the age of 28 was hired as a technical advisor to Ajax first team, he famously demonstrated his touchline leadership skills on that fateful day at Twente. He virtually took control over anything to do with tactics from then on.
By the time he retired from playing 1985 he had already demonstrated that he was a coach extraordinaire. Then you wrote that he was hired as a coach in 1985 because of his big name. I say the evidence points to that Cruyff had already demonstrated his ability in all the key areas to do with team managership his football acumen was without question.
Have they not fallen out
I'd say that Keane has a year or two left at centre back. He feeds off/craves the supporters adulation.
Keane and Staunton both good managerial prospects but would I let them start off with the national team? I would hate to hear in the post match interview.
"its a different game from the touchline"
"its gonna take a while for me to know how to sort this mess out"
Why would Roy even consider taking the job?
yes utter beating.
I am a lone nut in thinking that keane is a more significant footballing figure than legends stapleton, staunton and macateer.
and I also must be a sham for not seeing some obscure Ajax game from back in the day as a "fateful day"
as usual the little clique shouts anyone down who doesnt agree with them.
some people let their anti keane bias colour everything.....
I read somwhere that Saipan was like our Princess Di moment. As we all must look back like Niall Quinn and wonder did we all go mad over nuthin????
People who still think saipan is some major thing in their lives need to get out more.
but then when they do a coaching course and start having delusions about themselves what would you expect.....
Picture this: Keane gets job, we make the play-offs for the Euros, Keane is unhappy with the FAI's travel plans, so he.... walks out, leaving us managerless for the playoffs.
Of course, that could never happen, Keane walking out on someone when he doesn't get what he wants....
again you can't help but make a personal attack, petty in the extreme.as usual the little clique shouts anyone down who doesnt agree with them.
but then when they do a coaching course and start having delusions about themselves what would you expect.....
This little clique of one (i.e me!) doesn't take kindly to personal remarks......attack my post all day long if you want but grow up along the way.
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He didn't walk out on Ireland. Mick's own press statement: "I've sent him home" I still don't understand which part of this sentence people have trouble understanding.Of course, that could never happen, Keane walking out on someone when he doesn't get what he wants....
The BBC were at it today as well, claiming Roy walked out. Incredibly, they even played a bit of Mick's press conference but cut out the bit where he says he sent him home because it didn't suit their world view.
Great discussion lads I am glad I posted up my question now. It has largely been kept away from personal or club comments which has to be good for the forum. I think its healthy when people can slaughter a post like Karlos has but not be dragged down to personal comments. I don't agree with every thing you say but at least it comes from a position of knowledge.
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Wouldn't happen if he was arranging the travel plans though.
He walked out first. Was persuaded to come back, and then was sent home after making his position untenable. When you remember that he walked out first, it does kind of make it seem like he didn't want to be there.
And, didn't he just walk out on Utd?
I honestly hate Keane the footballer.This doesnt mean that I dont resect him though.
He speaks his mind is is not afraid to ruffle a few feathers.
This characteristic is what the next Ireland manager needs.Someone who can identify if a player isn't pulling his weight or who simply isn't up to the standard,and tell them where to go.
Simply put Give Keane the job and things will change for the better.
That argument is so simplistic. It's as if every problem is solved by someone verbally assulting the person who isn't performing. In life I have found that encouragement succeeds far better than criticism. And we've seen how well Keane reacts to criticism - when Mick suggested to him he didn't do friendlies and avoided the Iran play off game, he almost lost his mind and wasn't one of the whole criticisms of the way Mick handled things was that he criticised Keane in front of the players. But it's ok for Keane to criticise his team mates on Man U TV. Hypocrite.
He doesn't deserve to be the Irish manager because (a) he's not qualified, (b) he's temprementally unsuited, (c) he turned his back on playing for his country and (d) he probably wouldn't want the job anyway.
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