8,000 Jobs lost for Ireland.

[joeSoap]

Surely its time the government started to bend a little towards what Michael O'Leary wants. He has proven himself as an aviation genius, and we all know that aviation is a multi-billion euro industry. Now, he's taking his ball and bringing it to frankfurt

[finlma]

Like him or hate him - he's one of the best business men around and he's dead right.
We have one of the most incompetent governments in Europe and how people fail to see this and continue to vote Fine Fail is beyond me.

"Sure me father voted Fine Fail so I will too." There's a severe lack of intelligence running through a lot of Irish people.

[Lionel Ritchie]

Surely you mean he's taken his ball to 80 miles outside Frankfurt?

[joeSoap]

Surely you mean he's taken his ball to 80 miles outside Frankfurt?

Like it matters........

[finlma]

Like it matters........

It did to me 1 night when I landed at Hahn, thinking it was near the city. Got into Frankfurt so late that I couldn't find a place to stay and had to sleep in the train station.

[pete]

How long more will they be talking about a new terminal at dublin airport? About as long as been promising computerised penalty points system for our roads?

Michael O'Leary was 100% correct with his dittering Bertie line.

[Macy]

Fact is the jobs would've gone there anyway. He just uses it as a stick to beat the Government with at any announcement. I'm no fan of this Government, but he's getting tiresome at this stage. He should put up by standing in the elections or by building a competing airport on the south or west of the city (which is what Dublin really needs, not a competing terminal).

[Macy]

btw Most of the 8000 jobs would be part time, low paid jobs.

[finlma]

..... by building a competing airport on the south or west of the city (which is what Dublin really needs, not a competing terminal).

I completely agree - a new airport should be built at Baldonnel instead of a 2nd terminal at the existing location. It's a pain to get to for us southeners.

[Dodge]

btw Most of the 8000 jobs would be part time, low paid jobs.

Which according to the other thread will be filled by immigrants that people don't want... Or have I misread some of the posts.

[joeSoap]

Fact is the jobs would've gone there anyway. He just uses it as a stick to beat the Government with at any announcement. I'm no fan of this Government, but he's getting tiresome at this stage. He should put up by standing in the elections or by building a competing airport on the south or west of the city (which is what Dublin really needs, not a competing terminal).

Fair point, but why should Ryanair be the ones to build it? An airport, unless used privately,is for the benefit of the country and its population, and also to boost the nations tourism and business economies. Is it his fault Ryanair are so successful...Yes! Should Ryanair have to use all their profits to keep an Irish airline operating in the country....No!! O'Leary may be a pompous, arrogant, self-absorbed pig, but he does know what he's talking about, and he should be encouraged, not discouraged.

As for the jobs being part-time or underpaid....Germany's employment law is even more stringent than ours, and their rules about minimum wage etc are stringently enforced. If you were unemployed, and on the bread line and were offered a job at an airport earning minimum wage, would you take it until something better came along? I would certainly think so, unless you're a sponger who's afraid of a bit of graft.

[Macy]

I never said underpaid, I said low paid.

He wants us, the Irish people, to provide a second terminal to allow him to make more money. It's not about him providing jobs for Ireland, or making money for ireland - it's about making money for Ryanair.

The only way a competing terminal could reduce costs is by paying less wages than the airport workers are getting now, with far worse conditions and probably mostly part time workers (who then have less rights). Still I suppose if that save's you a tenner on a flight it'll be worth it

[joeSoap]

He wants us, the Irish people, to provide a second terminal to allow him to make more money. It's not about him providing jobs for Ireland, or making money for ireland - it's about making money for Ryanair.:

So, why not support an Irish company n its quest for success. How many billions has this country wasted on grant money for foreign companies to come in here, set up shop, blow the grant money and leave thoudands on the dole queues? I personally have no problem with Ryanair making money-Good luck to them. If they're making it on Irish soil, the country prospers as a reult, so wheres the problem??

The only way a competing terminal could reduce costs is by paying less wages than the airport workers are getting now, with far worse conditions and probably mostly part time workers (who then have less rights). Still I suppose if that save's you a tenner on a flight it'll be worth it

I think that if you took Ryanair out of Dublin then the traffic, both air and passenger, will dwindle significantly, and result in job losses. Theres such a thing as employment law, and this applies to part-time workers also. I don't think that Ryanair would break there laws, and would agree to minimum wage at least. As I said earlier, minimum wage beats dole queue until something better comes along.

[Macy]

I don't think that Ryanair would break there laws, and would agree to minimum wage at least. As I said earlier, minimum wage beats dole queue until something better comes along.

I don't think they'd break the law, but replacing well paid jobs with minimum wage jobs isn't progress. Particularly when the only people benefitting are rich shareholders.

Part time workers have significantly reduced rights compared to full time workers. O'Leary would have us heading further like the states, where people have two part time jobs instead of one full time one, no job security, little rights, no benefits....

[pete]

Just because you are more qualified than others doesn't mean we should look down on part-time or low paid work - each to their own as we all can't have high paying professions.

I respect Michael O'Leary as unlike most other highly paid irish people he still pays his tax in this country. O'Brien, Smurfit, O'Reilly pay no income tax in this country.

Bertie won't do anything about new terminal as he is in the pocket of his trade union buddies. Saying we shouldn't have a new terminal as Ryanair will make more profits from is like saying Intel shouldn't be allowed to expand their factories cos they'll make more money too.

[Macy]

Just because you are more qualified than others doesn't mean we should look down on part-time or low paid work - each to their own as we all can't have high paying professions.

It's not looking down on anyone. It's about replacing reasonably well paid jobs with decent employment conditions with low paid, part time work. It's all part of the race to the bottom started in Irish Ferries.

[Aldini98]

The only reason I like O'Leary is his hatred of the ******* that is Bertie Ahern. He's right to take the jobs elsewhere. God only knows if a second terminal will ever be built. Sure it'll need another 300million on a feasibility study surely? like the BertieBowl. The new transport system promise will surely end up on the scrapheap, just another promise to push up Fianna Fail landowners price of their land? And sure it'll run over budget and who benefits? The builders who are? mostly FF tie ins.

I agree with a previous poster saying "there is too much I'll vote FF because me Da did", they'll get in again in the next election no doubt.

FF voters are afraid to change it seems.

[Dotsy]

Sorry Macy but why exactly would these jobs be part time and low paid. I work in the aviation industry (not for Ryanair, Aer Lingus or the DAA) and know people that work in Ryanair in many capacities. Anyone I know who works for them gets more than the min wage and works full time. People might not agree with their policy about dealing with unions but they are relatively well paid.

Similarly if a competing terminal was built why would the jobs there be part time and minimum wage. It might employ different work practices more suited to the 21st century than some of those employed in the semi state sector in this country but that would be a good thing IMO.

O' Leary would open more routes here tomorrow if they were more profitable than Hahn. That's the bottom line for a private company. That's why Ryanair offered to pay for buidling the second terminal itself and then to hand it over to be run by an independent company. Why object to that if at the same time they would be bringing plane loads of tourists to the country that might not otherwise have come here. It makes economic sence but doesn't suit the vested interests of some of our politicans in this country.

[joeSoap]

O' Leary would open more routes here tomorrow if they were more profitable than Hahn. That's the bottom line for a private company. That's why Ryanair offered to pay for buidling the second terminal itself and then to hand it over to be run by an independent company. .

My point exactly.......