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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Guys , how did I manage to get three quotes under one post - post 36????

    I don't know how to do that.

    Not complaining mind,
    When you hit "quote", you can copy the quoted post, then go back to the thread and quote something else, and paste the first one in there too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83
    Essentially, it just says, "I don't get it, so God^H^H^HThe Intelligent designer must have done it."
    Isn't that the basis of all religion?

    As it happens, I'm reading Darwin's 'Origin Of The Species' at the moment (it's part of my looking clever on the bus series ) and while I haven't got too far through it yet, the arguments about variation under domestication are pretty convincing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Guys , how did I manage to get three quotes under one post - post 36????
    I merged 'em together for you hamish.

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    That New Yorker article is a good read.

    I read the interview on Christianitytoday.com, and while it has its interesting bits, it's unfortunately lacking in references for the info in it. It also has some of the stuff that frustrates me about ID. While one site will talk about evidence that the Earth is substantially younger than is generally though (one fo your other links mentioned some of that), other ID promoters will come out with stuff like this, "We look at the Cambrian explosion, the sudden appearance of virtually all of the phyla of the animal kingdom with no predecessors." Hang on, what Cambrian explosion? If you don't believe the Earth is at least hundreds of millions of years old, how do you...

    Anyway, thanks for the links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dahamsta
    I merged 'em together for you hamish.
    er.thanks Dahamsta
    Last edited by hamish; 10/11/2005 at 3:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi
    Isn't that the basis of all religion?
    That's one way of looking at it.

    Douglas Adams, a confirmed athiest, once wrote the following:
    . . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in'an interesting hole I find myself in'fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.
    Another one of his quotes comes to mind now too:
    There are some oddities in the perspective with which we see the world. The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas-covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be, but we have done various things over intellectual history to slowly correct some of our misapprehensions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi
    As it happens, I'm reading Darwin's 'Origin Of The Species' at the moment (it's part of my looking clever on the bus series ) and while I haven't got too far through it yet, the arguments about variation under domestication are pretty convincing.
    I think there are plenty of flaws in the original work that a modern evolutionist wouldn't agree with, but it's an awesome piece of thinking - few pieces of thinking have inspired as much research and debate.
    Last edited by John83; 10/11/2005 at 3:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83
    When you hit "quote", you can copy the quoted post, then go back to the thread and quote something else, and paste the first one in there too.
    Tried that John but when I went back to make another quote I couldn't find a quote button and I clicked paste......nothing?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Tried that John but when I went back to make another quote I couldn't find a quote button and I clicked paste......nothing?????
    You have to actually go back a page in your browser. There won't be a quote button in the bit of the thread you can see while in the post editor.

    EDIT: Quality - look at the Google ads at the bottom of the page!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83
    That New Yorker article is a good read.

    "We look at the Cambrian explosion, the sudden appearance of virtually all of the phyla of the animal kingdom with no predecessors." Hang on, what Cambrian explosion? If you don't believe the Earth is at least hundreds of millions of years old, how do you...

    Anyway, thanks for the links.
    Yeah, the New Yorker article is very readable, so to speak.

    Funny, I notived that quote you mentioned too.

    There do indeed appear to be a number of different takes on I.D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John83
    EDIT: Quality - look at the Google ads at the bottom of the page!
    I see an ad for Wolfe Tones CDs.
    We're not arrogant, we're just better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schumi
    I see an ad for Wolfe Tones CDs.
    Oh. So do I now. There were a couple of ID-related ones (plus a Ballinasloe tours one!) last time I looked.

    EDIT: And now there is nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83
    (plus a Ballinasloe tours one!
    Whaaa?

    That'd be one long tour - NOT -unless you're German tourists that come off the boats at the Marina and get p!ssed on cheap beer from LIDL just across the road.

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    If you believe we were created then whoever did it didn't do a very good job did he/she?

    If the planet was "designed" why have built-in volcanos, earthquakes etc...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    If the planet was "designed" why have built-in volcanos, earthquakes etc...
    'Cos god's a ****?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    If you believe we were created then whoever did it didn't do a very good job did he/she?

    If the planet was "designed" why have built-in volcanos, earthquakes etc...
    Well if we didn't have volcanoes it would be like blocking a pressure cooker - we'd all blow up from the repressed pressures inside the planet and plates create lovely mountains - Alpine Fold mountains for example....as well as earthquakes.

    I read somewhere that the people into this Rapture crack believe that the earth will be consumed by fire. They usually mention that it will be a Nuclear war but we will be consumed by fire, in billions of years when the sun becomes a red giant and burns every planet in the solar system. So they're kinda right.

    Even wet and flooded places like Cork won't survive. heh heh
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    Quote Originally Posted by John83
    That's one way of looking at it.

    Douglas Adams, a confirmed athiest, once wrote the following:

    . . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in'an interesting hole I find myself in'fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.
    I often wondered is this why Bush takes such a reckless attitude towards the environment. Does he come from an angle that God won't let anything bad happen to his creation so we can carry on adding to global warming? I always felt Bush has been staggerinly short sighted on the issue only concerning himself with short term economic implications of cutting back carbon emissions.

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    Remember that report a few weeks where he says he had conversations with God who told him to fix the Palestinian problem.
    Re. the environment, I see the Arctic drilling has stopped because of some impending bill. Saw it today somewhere.
    The recent book by that UK ambassador to the US says that he felt Chimpy McFlightsuit was very articulate and intelligent - that says more about the ambassador.
    Bush's backing of I.D. might see students refused admittance to third level education and other centres of learning. What companies are gonna employ people with I.D. included in their Science diplomas etc.
    Chimpy never fails me to shock me with his stupidity.

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    More from the looney right regarding Dover/I.D. - Robertson is the nutter that advocated the "taking out" of Hugo Chavez. Video is also attached to script,


    http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=19453

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirhamish
    Remember that report a few weeks where he says he had conversations with God who told him to fix the Palestinian problem.
    Ya wha........? I wonder if he's a Christian Zionist. Those who support the restablishment of Israel as fullfilling biblical prophecies to bring about the Second Coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Student
    Ya wha........? I wonder if he's a Christian Zionist. Those who support the restablishment of Israel as fullfilling biblical prophecies to bring about the Second Coming.
    Here it is PS:

    Guardian Unlimited/Special Report/God told me - it's about 3rd way down - actual site wouldn't come up

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search

    Had problems loading the following - coming through now. Same report.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/...586978,00.html
    Last edited by hamish; 10/11/2005 at 6:01 PM.

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