whats all this keane cant play rubbish , did ye see him v france he was still the best player on the pitch . keane with no legs would still be a better option than gerrard , gerrard and lampard dont play well together neither organise the players at all , keane would give you that , watch any england game and you can see that i cant belive people would still pick them both its one or the other and on current form lamps is first choice .
also have ye not been watching real this season becks is on top form a real top class player , also having him for free kicks and corners alone its worth having him on the pitch .
There is no doubting that Keane was one of the great midfielders of the modern game, and while he is still a force to be reckoned with now he is long past his best. Right now Stephen Gerrard and Frank Lampard are simply better players than the Roy Keane of 2005. I don't think that either are a patch on the Keane of 1998, but who is?
Keane wouldn't get into a hypothetical "Lions" team ahead of either of those guys.
England have been playing absolutely pathetic football with no holding midfielder. The only game they actually played well without one was Croatia in Euro 2004 and even then conceded 2 goals. They've actually been no better than us recently tbh. They have had the rub of the green though (Wales deserved a draw in the MS, Azerbaijan deserved at least a draw in Azerbaijan, Austria were probably better than England in England). Roy Keane would walk into the England team and make them a much better team. Bloody Michael Carrick made them a much better team when he played both games in the US so Keane certainly would.
Gerrard is better than Lampard. He has everything Lampard has plus aggression and ability to tackle and work off the ball. Lampard didn't make the WC 2002 squad. He hasn't really changed dramatically since then. What has changed is the players around him. He has the bonus of Makelele and Essien to do the dirty work. If Gerrard was playing in such a solid team you'd see the best of his ability (actually every player could be included as the likes of Duff do a lot of work off the ball. Something which Garcia or Kewell wouldn't really do much of). 6 of Lampard's 10 goals this season were either peno's or pile-driver freekicks. He is one of the best goalscoring midfielders but Gerrard would easily have scored 4 outfield goals in the Chelsea team this team and still be a lot more effective overall.
ive said this at least twice all ready gerrard and lampard dont work well together , why would you pick them ?Originally Posted by ThatGuy
gerrard is better if he is playing at the very top of his game but as every one can see he is way too inconsistant , out of 10 games he is class in one very good in 5 and goes missing in the other 4 , you rarely get a bad game out of lampard , there for he is a much better player .
I would blame the lack of cohesion in midfield on poor management and too many changes in formation. They are the best two midfielders and will find top form together eventually, and if they do before next summer and Sven gets a bit of cop on England are more than capable of living with any side.
Lampard is not as consistant as people say. He could be having a poor game, he'd score a goal and gets away with it. He'll always be consistant each week on match of the day but he could sometimes be anonymous in games.
In fairness, when Lampard plays as a central midfielder with Makelele being the only other central midfielder Chelsea usually always concede. Gerrard is also not mature enough to play the holding role. He can't resist getting forward and leaving the defence open. They'll never work together. Neither of them play well for England together. Gerrard hasn't played well since Sweden and Lampard goes missing in over half the games.
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Henry Winter made this accurate observation about Keane in the telegraph on Tuesday: "In modern midfields young legs are required to live with dynamos like Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard. For all his ring-craft, Keane can be exposd over 90 minutes of stamina-sapping combat......Such sad reality explains Ferguson's redesigning of his team to accomodate the ageing general, isolating Ruud Van Nistelrooy in attack to put another body in midfield, an insurance policy against the one fight Keane cannot win. The warrior from Cork has conquered most opponents, but not Father Time."[/QUOTE]
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There are no Republic of Ireland strikers on current form, better than David Healy so leaving the Wee North's ace man off the so-called " Lions" select is errant nonsense.
I cant believe people are not putting Craig Gordon in their squads, maybe not the teams but he is not far behind Paul Robinson, with Given as the best. But he is much much better than Maik Taylor who has cost Birmingham recently.
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