Racist incident in Liverpool v Anderlecht

[Dodge]

The term "banter" is used both at games and here on Foot.ie far too much as an excuse for ignorant behaviour. I don't like it one bit, and I have a major problem with the word because of that.

Thats because, as we've told you thousands of times, you're a fascist...

Anyway, genrally speaking (I know ) there's far more casual rascism in eastern european countries than there is here (or the UK, where we get most of our media from) It also doesn't help that the vast majority of football supporters are young males, who as a breed are particularly ignorent and liable to join in with group activites when ****ed on cheap beer

[dahamsta]

I can't see any icon at the top right of any post.

http://beecher.org/media/v/screens/icon.html

Thats because, as we've told you thousands of times, you're a fascist...

But I'm not any more. I'm Such. A Bitch.

[CraftyToePoke]

Hate to cause a row or anything here but isn't there a slight bit of hypocrisy at the crux of what is a freedom of speech issue? Don't get me wrong I am by no means a racist and most of the policies of the far right disgust me but why is it that it is presumed banter to call somone from Dublin a junkie or someone from Limerick Stab City scum etc. but when you insult a black player it is going beyond the pale. Surely someon born in Dublin or Limerick can help it no more than someone else can help the colour of their skin

Could it not be that the whole hub bub about racism in recent times merely involves a lot of the guilty conciences of the weak willed liberal left?

I think the difference between calling someone from dublin a junkie or calling you or i a stab city knacker, and racially abusing someone are poles apart because the dubliner or the limerick man may not be a junkie or a knifer .... but the black person is black.

do you get me?

[Lim till i die]

I think the difference between calling someone from dublin a junkie or calling you or i a stab city knacker, and racially abusing someone are poles apart because the dubliner or the limerick man may not be a junkie or a knifer .... but the black person is black.

do you get me?

A fair and valid point But is the person in question still not getting abused for something completely outside their control

I just though it was a bit of a moral issue to bring up. Why is it that people at a game can get away with all kinds of abuse (with the two above examples they might even get a cheap laugh or two depending on the game) but if someone was to start making monkey noises they would be most likely banned

[CraftyToePoke]

A fair and valid point But is the person in question still not getting abused for something completely outside their control

I just though it was a bit of a moral issue to bring up. Why is it that people at a game can get away with all kinds of abuse (with the two above examples they might even get a cheap laugh or two depending on the game) but if someone was to start making monkey noises they would be most likely banned

I see what you are getting at and in the strictest terms, i suppose both both are unacceptable , but they are definately not one and the same.the origins of racial abuse are far more sinister than those of a bit of limerick/dublin name calling, and should be treated as such.

[Lim till i die]

I see what you are getting at and in the strictest terms, i suppose both both are unacceptable , but they are definately not one and the same.the origins of racial abuse are far more sinister than those of a bit of limerick/dublin name calling, and should be treated as such.

Agreed to a certain extent that they are not the same. Personally it doesn't bother me in the slightest what race someone is (9 out of 10 people are ar$es regardless of colour/creed ) but does it not raise a moral issue within this insanely politically correct society of ours?

Surely if race was of as little consequence to most people as they make out then the boundaries would not only be blurred but non-existant and racially abusing someone would be deemed unacceptable only in the same context as calling someone fat, ugly etc. would be unacceptable

[CraftyToePoke]

Agreed to a certain extent that they are not the same. Personally it doesn't bother me in the slightest what race someone is (9 out of 10 people are ar$es regardless of colour/creed ) but does it not raise a moral issue within this insanely politically correct society of ours?

Surely if race was of as little consequence to most people as they make out then the boundaries would not only be blurred but non-existant and racially abusing someone would be deemed unacceptable only in the same context as calling someone fat, ugly etc. would be unacceptable

yes,but in reality,society is a long way from that and there are degrees of wrongness (is that even a word? ) rightly or wrongly. and what went on in that game the other night must cease to occur.it can never be any other way. it will,im my opinion,always be in a different sphere to the other 'isms' in society.

[Lim till i die]

yes,but in reality,society is a long way from that and there are degrees of wrongness (is that even a word ) rightly or wrongly. and what went on in that game the other night must cease to occur.it can never be any other way. it will,im my opinion,always be in a different sphere to the other 'isms' in society.

Fair Enough. Personally I still think there is a lot of free speech/ hypocrisy problems involved with this issue that need ironing out. I also think we could probably spend forever and a day arguing about it

As for "wrongness" being a word I've been known to use it after several pints

[Sliogán Dóite]

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_...607246,00.html

[CollegeTillIDie]

Lim Till I Die hits the nail on the head for me. Cut out the Serbian stuff. There are millions of Serbs. Why are people pointing out the Serbian link if they're not trying to insinuate something?

Insulting anyone because of what they look like , what ethnicity they have , or their national identity, is xenophobic and racist. Sissoko has like everyone else the right, not to have to put up with that sh1t on or off the football field.

And being Anti-Serb is as bad as any other form of prejudice. For the record Jestrovic claims he told Sissoko to go **** himself..... which in itself is not racist, as he would have said it just as easily to any opponent in a similar situation.
He pleads guilty to using bad language and swearing. Now some referees also see that as a red card offense.

And just because Mihajlovic has a track record in this area is no reason to tar all of his fellow professional sportsmen from his country with the same brush.

And one final point Referee Nielsen has a track record of being an attention seeker... Alan Kelly syndrome if you like

[HarpoJoyce]

I think eastern European teams get hammered by UEFA(EUFA) harder than those from the West.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/Keytopics/k...Id=365952.html

Slovakia had to play an Euro2004 qualifier against Liechenstein behind closed doors because of a previous incidents at their matches.