Racist incident in Liverpool v Anderlecht

**Tired&Emotional** · 02/11/2005, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by Clifford

I'm watching Chels game in Seville now and I'm not sure what to make of some of the noises coming from the stands either.

Yes - I heard racist chants/monkey noises coming from the Betis fans last nite as well directed at Essien and Gallas.....heard it for the first 20-25 mins or so but then seemed to stop or more likey a microphone near them was moved/ switched off. The Spanish fans are still at it.....

**Jerry The Saint** · 02/11/2005, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Don't get me wrong I am by no means a racist ... but

Always a dodgy phrase to use in discussions about race/racism. It's used so often to kick-off a racist rant that it always raises red flags (By the way, I'm not implying that's what you were doing

).

It's like the old "some of my best friends are black" or the more common "How can I be racist - I work with a black fella and I don't have any problem with him but..."

**superfrank** · 02/11/2005, 1:38 PM

It was your man Jestrovic.

I'm not condoning it but it's happened with Serbs before.

**Lim till i die** · 02/11/2005, 1:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

(By the way, I'm not implying that's what you were doing

).

Apologies, I'm not as elequent as I could be early in the day

Its just an interesting point that was put to me last night and I thought could do with some following up. Why is it that racial abuse is suddenly so unacceptable? I mean, surely anyone can see a distinct difference between racially abusing an opponent to rile them up and being an actual, fully fledged KKK member who keeps people pickled in barrells at the bottom of his garden.

BTW I agree that the old excuses you wheeled out are indeed pathetic in their cowardice. If I've a problem with someone I've a problem with them their race doesn't and shouldn't come into it.

As for Superfranks post about it happening with Serb's before

**superfrank** · 02/11/2005, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

As for Superfranks post about it happening with Serb's before

Sounds racist, I know but ever hear of Sinisa Mijhalovic?

**Lim till i die** · 02/11/2005, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Sounds racist, I know but ever hear of Sinisa Mijhalovic?

Yes indeed I have, had quite a detailed conversation about him on the way to Dublin City Saturday as it turns outs

Now have you ever heard of the Klu Klux Klan, the BNP, the Lega Nord..... see the point I'm getting at

Any percieved racism by the Serb people, although unacceptable is understandable given the tragic history of their country. To single them out as racists in a racism thread when there are other much bigger candidates smacks a tiny bit of hypocrisy

**Schumi** · 02/11/2005, 2:06 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Sounds racist, I know but ever hear of Sinisa Mijhalovic?

I hate those Serbs, they're all racists.

**superfrank** · 02/11/2005, 2:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Now have you ever heard of the Klu Klux Klan, the BNP, the Lega Nord..... see the point I'm getting at

Any percieved racism by the Serb people, although unacceptable is understandable given the tragic history of their country. To single them out as racists in a racism thread when there are other much bigger candidates smacks a tiny bit of hypocrisy

Did I say all Serbs are racist?? No.

I said it has happened with Serbs before.

I'm sure it's happened with Irish people before, oh wait I just called us all racists, run to the hills.

It's very easy to generalise.

I suppose the BBC are also racist seen as they call him a Serb here.

**Lim till i die** · 02/11/2005, 2:13 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

It's very easy to generalise.

Indeed it is a point you so brilliantly proved on post 24 of this thread

The Mihajlovic comment actually raised an interesting point that goes back to my earlier posts. At the time Mihajlovic said that the reason he called Viera a monkey was because Viera called him a "dirty gypsy" Where was Viera's worldwide condemnation for his racial slur

**Poor Student** · 02/11/2005, 2:17 PM

Lim Till I Die hits the nail on the head for me. Cut out the Serbian stuff. There are millions of Serbs. Why are people pointing out the Serbian link if they're not trying to insinuate something?

**dahamsta** · 02/11/2005, 2:17 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

why is it that it is presumed banter to call somone from Dublin a junkie or someone from Limerick Stab City scum

As far as I'm concerned, it's not. It's hard to trap it on Foot.ie because it's so prevalent, but I try to tackle people on it when I get a chance. If you or anyone else see someone using those terms on Foot.ie, you should click the Report This Post icon at the top-right of the post.

http://foot.ie/images/buttons/report.gif

The term "banter" is used both at games and here on Foot.ie far too much as an excuse for ignorant behaviour. I don't like it one bit, and I have a major problem with the word because of that.

adam

**superfrank** · 02/11/2005, 2:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

Indeed it is a point you so brilliantly proved on post 24 of this thread

The Mihajlovic comment actually raised an interesting point that goes back to my earlier posts. At the time Mihajlovic said that the reason he called Viera a monkey was because Viera called him a "dirty gypsy" Where was Viera's worldwide condemnation for his racial slur

For the last time, I did NOT say "All Serbians are racist", I said "it has happened with Serbians before" Read into that anyway you want but I will not have anyone call me something I'm not.

Viera's comments are news to me.

**superfrank** · 02/11/2005, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

Lim Till I Die hits the nail on the head for me. Cut out the Serbian stuff. There are millions of Serbs. Why are people pointing out the Serbian link if they're not trying to insinuate something?

I was merely saying it had happened with Serbs before, it's not my fault if people are so conniving and paranoid they have to find hidden agendas for everything people post on here.

**sligoman** · 02/11/2005, 2:21 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

As far as I'm concerned, it's not. It's hard to trap it on Foot.ie because it's so prevalent, but I try to tackle people on it when I get a chance. If you or anyone else see someone using those terms on Foot.ie, you should click the Report This Post icon at the top-right of the post.

Expect a sharp increase in bad posts been reported so Adam cos that term is used a lot on here

**Lim till i die** · 02/11/2005, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

As far as I'm concerned, it's not. It's hard to trap it on Foot.ie because it's so prevalent, but I try to tackle people on it when I get a chance. If you or anyone else see someone using those terms on Foot.ie, you should click the Report This Post icon at the top-right of the post.

http://foot.ie/images/buttons/report.gif

The term "banter" is used both at games and here on Foot.ie far too much as an excuse for ignorant behaviour. I don't like it one bit, and I have a major problem with the word because of that.

adam

Fair enough. The point that I was trying to get across was that these terms seem to be far more socially acceptable than racist remarks and I personally don't see the difference

**Lim till i die** · 02/11/2005, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

I was merely saying it had happened with Serbs before, it's not my fault if people are so conniving and paranoid they have to find hidden agendas for everything people post on here.

Yes, but why even mention the "S" word

. It's common knowledge that a lot of Serbs are unjustifiably percieved as racist and for you to enforce that stereotype in a racism thread was pretty stupid

As for Viera's comment's being news to you, of course they are, think you'll find all the media jumped on the "Let's hang the racist Slav" bandwagon and ignored that poor innocent angel Viera's part in any argument

**dahamsta** · 02/11/2005, 3:23 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

Expect a sharp increase in bad posts been reported so Adam cos that term is used a lot on here

Well, it'll filter through the mods anyway, because that's the way Foot.ie is set up. But I wouldn't mind receiving all of those complaints, it's something I feel should be dealt with. I just hope the mods will deal with it the way I'd like them to.

adam

**Poor Student** · 02/11/2005, 5:22 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

I was merely saying it had happened with Serbs before, it's not my fault if people are so conniving and paranoid they have to find hidden agendas for everything people post on here.

I fail to see why you'd feel the need to mention this point. What exactly were you saying with it if you weren't making an insinuation or comment about Serbs?

**1 9 2 8** · 02/11/2005, 5:34 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

This is disgracful. I didn't see the game or the incident so cant comment on what happened but this player should be given a season long ban. Racism is not acceptable in football anymore

Glad you feel that way. I hope you now know to take action against racist scum