Liam Lawlor dies in Moscow car crash

**centre mid** · 22/10/2005, 2:03 PM

Reports that he has been killed in a car crash in Russia

**Poor Student** · 22/10/2005, 2:19 PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1022/russia.html

Weird. I was reading a report earlier today that an Irish citizen was killed in a car crash in Moscow. Didn't think it was anyone of note. I wonder what he was doing there.

**sligoman** · 22/10/2005, 2:56 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

I wonder what he was doing there.

On a business trip according to Tv3

**sligoman** · 22/10/2005, 4:58 PM

Tributes have begun pouring in from across the political spectrum, following the news of Liam Lawlor's death.

In Killarney, where the Fianna F�il party is holding its �rd Fheis, the Taoiseach has said he's shocked by the news.

The two men entered D�il Eireann on the same day in 1977.

In a statement, the Taoiseach extended his sympathies to Liam Lawlor�s wife Hazel, his children and his extended family.

He described Mr Lawlor as an engaging, witty and larger than life character.

The Taoiseach said Mr Lawlor was �never afraid to express his trenchant views�.

Fianna F�il TD John Curran - who succeeded Liam Lawlor in the newly-created constituency of Dublin Mid-West - says he was still a popular person in the area:

�Liam was involved in politics for a long time - he has had a colourful career,� he said.

�Quite honestly, his name still comes up at doorsteps and there are constituents of mine that Liam has worked for and they would acknowledge that to this very day,� he added.

The T�naiste Mary Harney expressed her regret at the death of Liam Lawlor.

In a statement she said that to lose his life in an accident so far from home, represents a terrible tragedy for his family and friends.

The Minister for Health has extended her sincere sympathy to Mr Lawlor's widow Hazel and their children.

The Fine Gael leader Enda Kenny has also expressed his deepest sympathy to Liam Lawlor's family.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/10/22/story226703.html

**A face** · 22/10/2005, 6:19 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

�Liam was involved in politics for a long time - he has had a colourful career,� he said.

.............

**pineapple stu** · 23/10/2005, 8:57 AM

Apparently he had a 20-year-old Ukrainian girl in the back seat of a taxi. The tabloids are saying she was a hooker. Swerved to avoid a pedestrian at 1:00am and hit a street lamp. Taxi driver died later.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 23/10/2005, 9:44 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Apparently he had a 20-year-old Ukrainian girl in the back seat of a taxi. The tabloids are saying she was a hooker. Swerved to avoid a pedestrian at 1:00am and hit a street lamp. Taxi driver died later.

Apparently all 20 year old Ukrainian girls in taxi's in Moscow are hookers. She might very well have been a translator

What happened to her by the way?

**sligoman** · 23/10/2005, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

What happened to her by the way?

Very seriously injured last I heard.

**pineapple stu** · 23/10/2005, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by CollegeTillIDie

Apparently all 20 year old Ukrainian girls in taxis in Moscow are hookers. She might very well have been a translator

Don't they speak Ukrainian in the Ukraine? Might want a Russian translator.

(Even if I'd imagine most would have fluent Russian there anyway).

Anyway, just reporting what the papers said. Could have been a shared taxi, could have been anything.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 23/10/2005, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Don't they speak Ukrainian in the Ukraine? Might want a Russian translator.

(Even if I'd imagine most would have fluent Russian there anyway).

Anyway, just reporting what the papers said. Could have been a shared taxi, could have been anything.

Most Ukrainians would have Russian as a second language as a result of occupation by the Russians under the guise of the USSR from 1917 to 1991.
In my experience of having travelled to various parts of Eastern Europe with football sides, translators can be as young as 16 or 17, so a 20 year old would not be unusual.

**the 12 th man** · 23/10/2005, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

Very seriously injured last I heard.

According to the Observer she was only slightly injured.
Moscow Police described Her also as a Hooker.

**sligoman** · 23/10/2005, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by the 12 th man

According to the Observer she was only slightly injured.

Could be right, I read this on Errortel

**CollegeTillIDie** · 23/10/2005, 12:53 PM

Well Moscow Police are susceptible to bribes, because they do not receive their salary on time, so if you paid them enough money they would describe the victim has anything you want them to.

**Poor Student** · 23/10/2005, 2:04 PM

It was in a redlight district too. Police have interviewed the girl and they say she appears to be a prostitute. Given the rather unsavoury nature of Mr. Lawlor I would be far from surprised to find out she was a postitute. A good 40% of the Ukraine are ethnically Russian and speak it as a first language as far as I know, that being the Eastern half but I somehow doubt she was a translator. I must say I find the tributes laughable. I'm not saying Lawlor was an absolute demon, but he has been made sound somewhat of an upstanding citizen, particularly by the Taoiseach.

**Green Tribe** · 23/10/2005, 2:10 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

It was in a redlight district too. Police have interviewed the girl and they say she appears to be a prostitute. Given the rather unsavoury nature of Mr. Lawlor I would be far from surprised to find out she was a postitute. A good 40% of the Ukraine are ethnically Russian and speak it as a first language as far as I know, that being the Eastern half but I somehow doubt she was a translator. I must say I find the tributes laughable. I'm not saying Lawlor was an absolute demon, but he has been made sound somewhat of an upstanding citizen, particularly by the Taoiseach.

Typical, not many speak ill of the dead. When you're living, you're the worst, but at a funeral etc "Ah, he was a great man.....blah blah

**Poor Student** · 23/10/2005, 3:03 PM

Originally Posted by Green Tribe

Typical, not many speak ill of the dead. When you're living, you're the worst, but at a funeral etc "Ah, he was a great man.....blah blah

I know of course KT (or do you prefer GT now?

), but you've got to draw the line somewhere, no?

**CollegeTillIDie** · 23/10/2005, 3:11 PM

Very few Irish people speak ill of the dead, cause very few of us speak well of the living......

**Partizan** · 23/10/2005, 4:03 PM

My sympathy goes out to his wife and kids who had to put up with this cowboy who swindled the state out of millions and done Tomas McGiolla, one of the best and hard working TD's in Dail Eireann out of his seat. The returning officer that day was a well known Lawlor aquintance.

Greedy, corrupt and aloof, Lawlor is a microcosm of a self centred society that is existent in Ireland that is well and truly rotten to the core.

**sylvo** · 23/10/2005, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by Green Tribe

Typical, not many speak ill of the dead. When you're living, you're the worst, but at a funeral etc "Ah, he was a great man.....blah blah

I agree KT, or should I say GT, He was no different to members of any organised crime gang, pocketing massive amounts of money with his dodgy deals which his TD status was able to give him the power to do so, and then giving the courts and enquirys the middle finger.

He represented everything thats rotten about Irish politics and showed perfectly why Ireland was held back by corrupt politicains who have lined their own pockets for so long.

I'm sorry to see the man has died, but at the end of the day the man wasn't a fine example, he was no different to any other crime boss.