Odds on Troussier slashed

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

I didn't respond to your recent comment on another thread that there's a lot of good in the FAI, especially at grass roots level. I agree totally. But their lack of control over & investment in the senior game & their perpetual incompetence in governing the national sides is unforgivable..

There has in the past been little or no money to "invest" in the game. You can only invest what you have. What perpetual incompetence has there been with the national sides ? Saipan was or should have been a storm in a teacup and I think it is relatively well explained in Behind the Green Door. Players flying first class - yes, that should have been the way instead of the Officials but whether that improves performances is another matter judging by recent results.

Form a purely visual point of view, the new logo is vile in my opinion. It reflects everything bad about the way the broad media industry has taken hold of people's psyches over the last decade. The whole Alastair Campbell / Big Brother / Heat magazine / Murdoch / Richard Keyes / Sky ethos that promotes style over substance is reflected in this logo if you ask me (not that i expect anyone is doing!). ..

It is the way of the world now. I'm in a number of organisations that used to have their rules and regulations in book format but now they're on websites which a lot of the older members don't like. Change is inevitable and one's opinion on the new logo has to be a subjective matter. I didn't like it when I first saw it but it has grown on me and like it or not, it is distinctive - far more so than my avatar which is much easier for counterfeiters to knock off just like a plain shamrock. I think there is both style and substance in the logo and I think it appeared around the time Rooney took charge to represent the new and modern FAI. But as I say it's a matter of taste.

It shows how out of touch the FAI is with the essence of the national team & the most basic outward image of the national team: its jersey. I dreamt as a kid of wearing a green shirt with a shamrock on it. The 1988/1990 era crest was just about acceptable but the last two have been horrendous.

I repeat since the FAI is made up of football people who have spent their lives involved in the game I am not sure how you can then say they are out of touch about what the essence of the national team is. Also there is a clear image of a shamrock, football and the word IRELAND in the logo so it incorporates the essence of the team in my opinion.

Bring back the simple shamrock. How I envy the IRFU their crest.

The IRFU's crest is not simply a shamrock http://www.ciyms.com/IRFU%20logo%20mono.jpg There is also a rugby ball plus the letters IRFU and the leaves of the shamrock are in two tones. No mention of Ireland like the FAI logo and if this does go to the essence of the team, it hasn't done them much good I'm afraid. The central core of shamrock, country, ball and organisation is in the FAI logo. but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[OwlsFan]

Apologies for all the posts - something funny happened when I posted it and seems to have posted umpteen time

[ThatGuy]

Can you repeat that agauin OwlsFan?

[hamish]

What ever happenedto that bloke Militunovic***. Y'know the geezer who coached a load of under achievers and brought them all to WC Finals???

Or is he past his sell by date now??

***spelling might be a bit off.

[tetsujin1979]

Didn't he manage the States and China (amongst others)? Think he's a solid record of getting through the qualifiers, but fcuking up royally at the actual tournament, IIRC China didn't score in Japan/South Korea

[hamish]

Didn't he manage the States and China (amongst others)? Think he's a solid record of getting through the qualifiers, but fcuking up royally at the actual tournament, IIRC China didn't score in Japan/South Korea

Yeah tetsujin1979 - feck it, you've a hard name to type. I forgot the China performance. Maybe his sell by date has passed so.

[Metrostars]

Stay, stay, stay away from Bora Milutinovic. Yes he did get Nigeria and China to the World Cup (USA were hosts), but he is possibly the worst manager I have ever seen.

He was coach of my beloved Metrostars for a year and a half (98-99) and he proceeded to take a team that was on the up to having the worst ever season a team has had in MLS history that included a whopping 4 wins all year and a losing streak of 12 games.

Thanks, but no thanks!

[hamish]

Stay, stay, stay away from Bora Milutinovic. Yes he did get Nigeria and China to the World Cup (USA were hosts), but he is possibly the worst manager I have ever seen.

He was coach of my beloved Metrostars for a year and a half (98-99) and he proceeded to take a team that was on the up to having the worst ever season a team has had in MLS history that included a whopping 4 wins all year and a losing streak of 12 games.

Thanks, but no thanks!

God, my old memory is knackered. I do recall his poor performance at Metrostars allright. That's him out of the picture so. No word about him at all lately. Is he coaching anywhere?

[Metrostars]

God, my old memory is knackered. I do recall his poor performance at Metrostars allright. That's him out of the picture so. No word about him at all lately. Is he coaching anywhere?

He was recently sacked by Al Sadd of Qater:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...345278&cc=5739

[Stuttgart88]

I think you made your point Owls fan

I was aware the IRFU crest had rugby balls in it but in my opinion it's faithful to the traditional logo, in its style & its simplicity.

As you say, it's all a matter of taste though.