Kerr Gone

**magic moments** · 19/10/2005, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

McCarthy was not an Englishman. Born in England of an Irish father from Tallow, County Waterford. Irish passport and Mick McCarthy is a real English name ok. O'Leary and McGrath were born in England as well - are they English tossers ?

Charlton = 2 World Cups and a Euro 88 (1 and only time we qualified for that Championship) makes a tosser. I'd hate to see what's required to remove the "tosser" adjective.

Your attitude seems to be so long as he's born here, it doesn't matter how bad we are. This is the first time since 1986 we have not finished in the top 2of a qualifying campaign.

You stole my thunder, spot on Owls Fan

**elroy** · 19/10/2005, 12:55 PM

Roy Keane will NOT take the job and should not be offered it either. We still have not got the whole saipan mess out of our system. Kerr was obsessed with preparation as a result and quite a few players from both sides of the Saipan debacle are still available.

Brady argued was bringing Keane back to the Irish fold a success and to be honest it could be argued either way.

You can look at the stats whatever way you like, yes Kerr won alot of friendlies, yes he only lost two games. But the fact of the matter is they were both huge games. No Irish performance bar the French away was anyway inspiring. Now I think back, only a lucky og against Albania kept our hopes alive in the previous campaign.

Even we Mick was under pressure, Ireland produced performances like the defeat of Yugoslavia at home, Croatia at home, we almost qualified for the WC with a team that was well past its sell by date....only for a lucky Nilis goal (it still hurts).

I think the general people do have a sort of bond with Kerr, perhaps because it was because he was Irish and seemed a nice guy, would be public be so forgiving if he was English? Maybe an unnecessary point but the truth is our next campaign is crucial we at worst need to bring ourselves back up to second seeds and right now I dont think Kerr would've being able to do it.

**Stormin Normin** · 19/10/2005, 1:01 PM

For pity sake what sort of shambles would Kerr have to preside over before his Eircom League supporting buddies would reckon he wasn't capable of doing the job?

Our overall win/loss record under Kerr might appear ok but if you look at competitive results and performances it is awful. Eoin Hand was pilloried during the '86 qualifying campaign but actually did better Kerr did in the recent campaign with wins over Russia and, wait for it, Switzerland during that campaign.

All Kerr (& the team) had to do to qualify us for Portugal was beat an awful Russia team at home and draw with an equally ordinary Switz team away to win that group. Failed miserably!

All that was required in this group was to beat Israel once and/or beat Switz at home. Failed miserably!

The players at his disposal are virtually all regular playing premiership players and all fairly experinced. Yet he got one good performance out of that group in 10 qualifying games. He also managed to get a couple of the worst performances I have ever seen from an Irish team.

No plan, no spirit, no passion! How bad do things have to get before Mr Kerr can accept that he simply is not up to managing at this level?

**OwlsFan** · 19/10/2005, 1:02 PM

Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional

Definition: "Blazer" - in context, a business-minded person running a non-business (per se) body/group eg. Football Association of Ireland run by non football people! imo!!

Delaney et al should have sacked themselves, can someone explain to me how this sub-committee is qualified to choose an Itl. manager...?!

Here are your "blazers":

The Board of Management will comprise of ten members and will be made up of the Honorary Secretary, President, Honorary Treasurer, Chief Executive, and the six chairpersons of the Development, International, Domestic, eircom League, Legal/Corporate and Underage committees.

As you will see, the majority are football people.

As for the sub-committee, that could be made up of anyone from ex-players, to current managers. It depends on whom the main committee delegates or nominates to be on the sub-committee I suspect.

Football is not rocket science. If Martin O'Neill is available, it doesn't take a sub committee or anyone immersed in football to know that he would be a good choice. I just hope the process doesn't take too long.

Did Don Givens get the heave-ho as well ?

**Tired&Emotional** · 19/10/2005, 1:15 PM

I didn't coin the term "blazers" meself, but I'm just "speculating" that this is what people mean when they use the term "blazers"! Maybe someone else might offer another suggestion in quests to answer questions?!

Do you know how many are on the sub-c besides the three "blazers"?

Football is not rocket science, eh?! ......Eureka! Then what's all the fuss about smart ars*?!!

**Marked Man** · 19/10/2005, 1:17 PM

Originally Posted by thejollyrodger

3 X �440,000 = �1.32 Million.

So we're assuming he didn't spend any of his money to, let's say, live, then?

**mypost** · 19/10/2005, 1:38 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

This is the first time since 1986 we have not finished in the top 2of a qualifying campaign.

Whoops!!

It's not the first time, as we finished 3rd in the Portugal qualifiers.

I find it amazing that so many people are taking the 4th place group finish so seriously. We came within one goal of a play-off, and within 3 points of the group winners, so we were hardly out of our depth. With more imagination, better tactics, and by playing decent football, we would probably have won the group. We had the players to do it, but not the coach.

One thing that hasn't been discussed is something I think should have happened after the last game. I think the players, and boss should have done a lap of honour around the pitch at the end of the game. Yes, we didn't qualify, but it would have been nice if they showed their appreciation for the support of the fans who supported them as well as they did during the campaign, especially those who forked out thousands of �'s to travel to Cyprus, Israel, and to Torshavn in the fog. Instead they sloped off to their dressing room feeling sorry for themselves!!

**Stormin Normin** · 19/10/2005, 2:02 PM

Mypost,

You're joking re a lap of honour?

I've missed one home game (competitive) in the last 20 years but have never come across anything like the reaction at the end of the game last Weds.

The silence at the final whistle was surreal. It wasn't down to disbelief or disappointment. It was a shake of the head response to the clueless, passionless performance we had just witnessed. It was a response to the clueless approach and management of Kerr in trying to win that game. Tactics, substitutions etc.

A lap of honour after that! You have to be kidding!

**NeilMcD** · 19/10/2005, 2:12 PM

Originally Posted by Marked Man

So we're assuming he didn't spend any of his money to, let's say, live, then?

Also, he would be paying tax on that probably about 300,000 of it would have gone on tax.

**Macy** · 19/10/2005, 2:27 PM

Originally Posted by TonyD

Disgusted with this, even though I was expecting it. I've never seen a campaign of such vitriol as has been conducted against Brian Kerr in the last couple of weeks(with a couple of honourable exceptions) OK, things have gone wrong recently but his record has not been that bad. Two competitive defeats. You can bet one thing, whoever comes in will not have a fraction of Kerrs feeling for, or knowledge of, the game in this country. Just had to listen to Dunphy being all smug about it on Setanta, (this remember is the guy who said after Kerrs first game that he was the first real coach we'd had in 20 years) Well, they can all go and fook off. John Delaney, Dunphy, Paul Hyland, Cathal Dervan and the rest of them. Fook them all. Fook the FAI, and the national team as well. I couldn't give a toss who they appoint now, and I couldn't give a toss if they ever win another game. I'm sticking to my Club from now on.

Pretty much sums it up for me too. Factor in the FAI's treatment of the eL fans tickets and they can go fook themselves.

**mypost** · 19/10/2005, 2:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stormin Normin

A lap of honour after that! You have to be kidding!

I'm serious. "Honour" is probably stretching it a bit but, as it was the end of the campaign, they should have thanked the fans in some way for their support throughout the campaign, at the end of the game. The same players don't think twice about doing it, at the end of their club season, good, bad, or indifferent. Or maybe they just don't care about the fact that 30,000 came to cheer them on, oblivious to their previous bad performances in the group.

**JoeSemi** · 19/10/2005, 2:53 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

I'm serious. "Honour" is probably stretching it a bit but, as it was the end of the campaign, they should have thanked the fans in some way for their support throughout the campaign, at the end of the game. The same players don't think twice about doing it, at the end of their club season, good, bad, or indifferent. Or maybe they just don't care about the fact that 30,000 came to cheer them on, oblivious to their previous bad performances in the group.

Bang on mypost. The non-qualification hurts enough on the fans part(both in pocket and mentally) and a little appreciation wouldn't have been a lot to ask from the players. I think Holland and Given were the only two to make some sort of gesture to the fans. The fact they recognised the huge part fans played and sacrafices they made over the campaign speaks volumes for the two of them.

**drinkfeckarse** · 19/10/2005, 2:55 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

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As for the sub-committee, that could be made up of anyone from ex-players, to current managers. It depends on whom the main committee delegates or nominates to be on the sub-committee I suspect.

The sub-committee is made up of Delaney, Blood (President) and Cody (Hon Sec). All "blazers"......

**Tired&Emotional** · 19/10/2005, 3:11 PM

Cheers for that.....sums it all up really!

I think it's fairly obvious what list of potentials will apply for the job but for these guys to qualify themselves to choose the best one for the national team and all that goes with it is kerr-azy! They just dont know the game of football enough to know what's called for and when. Do they pander to the Indo. journalists cries?!?! They are accountable to no one but themselsves! Was part of the Genesis report a waste of time? Even Mick said nothing has changed re the relationship between the national coach and the FAI!!

As for the lap of honour.....I heard someone remark, tongue-in-cheek perhaps, that the team should have been sacked not the manager! Although I would say most of them not all!!

Fair play to Holland & Given for making some effort of appreciation ats...the rest should have made some effort....

**geysir** · 19/10/2005, 4:04 PM

I hope the next manager has at least half of the heartfelt dedication that Kerr put into the job. He set out his stall in the beginning to up the levels of preparation and promised his own focussed attention to the task. No tv punditry, no media shows etc. and accepted a salary which befitted a federation like Andorra. An absence of greed.

He is quoted as saying that the FAI's decision is short-sighted.
We ended up being a well beaten 4th. To look back at a missed goal here and there had some validity until we went into our last 3 games, but to continue that line is to gloss over a malaise which took deeper root in the last games. Maybe it is a manager’s prerogative to remain in some place of denial but I would have needed to hear more detail from him if he had any realistic explanations about our performances and his role. It would have been a big step to continue to have faith with a manager who did not acknowledge shortcomings but yet promised solutions in the future.

**paul_oshea** · 19/10/2005, 4:19 PM

and accepted a salary which befitted a federation like Andorra. An absence of greed.

thats crap! in euro 2004 the czexh manager was on 57,000. the greek manager wasnt on much more.

he did show dedication but the man lacked serious motivational skills, he couldnt get the best from the players available to him. we are looking for a manager with all of the above you mentioned plus the above!

**pineapple stu** · 19/10/2005, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Marked Man

So we're assuming he didn't spend any of his money to, let's say, live, then?

Or ever earn any money in the rest of his life? For what it's worth, I'd say he's easily worth a million. It sounds a lot less than it is, really. Though it's not really a topic for speculation. Except for...does he get all his tax back under that scheme for domestic-based sportsmen?

**geysir** · 19/10/2005, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

thats crap! in euro 2004 the czexh manager was on 57,000. the greek manager wasnt on much more.

he did show dedication but the man lacked serious motivational skills, he couldnt get the best from the players available to him. we are looking for a manager with all of the above you mentioned plus the above!

You are touchy,take a deep breath. obviously there was colour added for emphasis, imo Kerr�s salary was modest enough by standards that exist in footbal. I might be totally wrong but the impression I get from the man is that he is not guided by financial rewards.
BTW your salary quotes for Karl Bruckner and Otto Rehhegel are somewhat understated.
Karl �110k Otto �700k+ according to this link
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/e...name_page.html

**mypost** · 20/10/2005, 4:03 AM

Originally Posted by JoeSemi

Bang on mypost. The non-qualification hurts enough on the fans part(both in pocket and mentally) and a little appreciation wouldn't have been a lot to ask from the players. I think Holland and Given were the only two to make some sort of gesture to the fans. The fact they recognised the huge part fans played and sacrafices they made over the campaign speaks volumes for the two of them.

So what we're saying that only 2 of the squad actually give a flying fk about the fans. What does that say about the rest of them, eh??

Probably too busy re-arranging their family holidays next summer from Germany, to more exotic places like the Caribbean, the Med, and America, while our fans watch Togo, USA, Angola, Saudi Arabia, and co, do what they should have been doing. And that's before you mention England.

If you were disappointed after last week, that's nothing compared to how you will feel when the tournament starts. You're cossetted now to an extent, with all the domestic action to keep you occupied, but when you watch the WC on your tv in the summer, that's when the disappointment of not been there, hurts the most.

But the players will be happy, as they'll have their full summer break next year.

Re: Player appreciation: Our players showed their appreciation for the fans support at the end of the last 4 WC campaigns, including after the defeat in Brussels. The fact that the majority didn't show even a token of gratitude for the fans efforts during this campaign after the Swiss game, shows us what they really think of us these days, that they only really care about their money and their club's fortunes now. A kind of,
"Sure aren't they mad, paying out all that money to all those far flung outposts to watch us play, Fk 'em" attitude