3 X €440,000 = €1.32 Million.
The difference being that as someone else already said that McCarthy got to playoffs at least while introducing a load of young players. Kerr had a decent team yet couldn't get the best out of them.Originally Posted by Donal81
I was a supporter of Kerr but the time has come to be realistic. The team didn't perform at all for him. Whether that's his fault or the players is not the point. The buck stops with the manager.
The buck of course stops with the manager and if Kerr was willing to take credit for any of the successes, he has to take the stick for the failures. And there were definitely failures and he was left with a lot to prove.
I just don't think he got a fair shot. Who's to know what's wrong with this team, what goes on in the dressing room? Who's to know what he could have achieved with a different team? A team that he could have moulded himself and not inherited?
This was a rash and hasty decision befitting the blazers of the FAI.
is it true he only lost one competitive match?*
if it is the whole Ireland thing has lost all perspective and common sense - I sincerely hope Delaney gets his man now - because IRELAND inc will not qualify for the next championship, the current crop are not good enough and the next failure to qualify will cost Delaney his job
and it will be good riddance to bad rubbish
<*i know he lost another v swiss in the last campaign but that was tainted by the McCarthy era>
I don't think it was a hasty decision. He hasn't got the best out of the players. He hasn't handled the press well. AFAIK he hasn't admitted to any failure on his part. On the Late Late he practically said it was all the players' fault. He said the non qualification for Euro 2004 was McCarthy's fault even though we were in contention up to the last game and didn't perform against Russia at home or the Swiss away. IMO The FAI have made a hard headed decision and a correct one at that.
The style of play has been nervy and cautious.
Can you honestly say there was any sign that Kerr could have improved the team and qualified for the European Championships or World Cup?
I think no matter how you dress it up, Ireland probably should have been in the play-offs at least.
What Kerr could have done better has been talked to a death, i.e. the Israel games and Josh in midfield - so ultimately I think with a better manager we'd have made a better fist of qualifying.
I don't doubt Kerr is a nice man, and a genuine football man, but in my opinion he's not up to the job.
Let's hope we get a decent manager in, not a cheap option.
Ade
Look, I'm not dressing up the results and saying the last campaign was a roaring success. It was a failure and Brian Kerr's failure at that but the players deserve criticism as well. There was absolutely no excuse for not making the play-offs. Finishing fourth in the group - the first time in my memory - is unacceptable, this is true. But I don't think he deserved to go over it.
I don't know if Kerr would have improved the team but he deserved a chance to grow his own team. He's been let go now and I don't think it's fair, I don't think he had a fair crack at it.
He had a lot of time to grow his own team. The truth is that he changed the style of play and a lot of the personnel. Remember A O'Brien, A Reid, J OShea all became first team regulars under Kerr.
Anyway, IMO another Manager with the players at Kerr's disposable would have qualified. Remember most of the players that did well in the WC were still available to Kerr and he didn't get the same level of performance that McCarthy did.
The FAI should resign on mass if they now think 2 years after appointing the right man, that he is now the wrong man for the job. They got it wrong according to themselves and should do the decent thing and walk away now!
For the record, I think he should have been given just as much time as they gave the two Engerlish tossers before him! But that's just me!
FAI Chief Executive John Delaney answered questions from the press on the decision to seek a new senior international manager following Tuesday evening's Board of Management meeting.
Question: Have you spoken to Brian?
Answer: We had a process whereby the Association conveyed the Board’s deliberation to Fintan Drury (Kerr’s agent). That was the process that Fintan, Brian and Chris Hughton and everyone else wanted in place. I’ve tried to contact Brian, Chris Hughton and Packie (Bonner) already tonight but they are obviously tied up in other phone calls or whatever. But it would be my intention over the next number of days to meet with Chris if I can, Brian and obviously Packie and Noel O’Reilly who have roles in the back room team.
Q: What was Fintan Drury’s reaction?
A: I would say very professional. Tadhg O’Halloran spoke to Fintan on the FAI’s behalf and it was very professional. He said thanks for informing them first.
Q: How long did it take to come to the decision?
A: It was a long board meeting with many items on the agenda. I would say at max an hour. There was no vote at all. There was a consensus decision to arrive at the decision we arrived at.
Q: Did the sub-committee (set up to look at the implications of non-qualification for the World Cup) make a recommendation?
A: Well the sub-committee gave a position to the Board which I am not going to go into because of confidentially. They were given a detailed report but it was up to the Board to debate the issue. There was no vote and there was a consensus arrived at.
Q: Have you spoken to Brian since the Switzerland game?
A: I met him after the game. Since then, no.
Q: How will the FAI look for a new manager?
A: Well I think the debate moves onto that now. The sub-committee is in place. We don’t have a qualifying match in terms of a World Cup or European Championship match until next August or so. So we have time. The sub-committee (Delaney, President David Blood and Honorary Secretary Michael Cody) is in place. We’ll probably meet tomorrow (Wednesday). We have a tentative agreement to meet as a three and will take it for there.
Q: Will Don Givens (Ireland Under 21 manager) step in as caretaker?
A: Any decision on whether we get a caretaker manager or go for an immediate appointment will be considered tomorrow. I’ll bring that to the Board and take it from there.
Q: Where possible replacements mentioned?
A: No, I think that will be up to the sub-committee. We can all start suggesting names — I certainly wont. The way we start naming names and denying names, it is a process of elimination. That is certainly something that I will not do. We will keep it within the sub-committee and bring it to the Board and do the business the right way.
Q: Do you have a personal idea of anyone who could take over?
A: Absolutely not.
Q: Will Brian be offered another role within the Association?
A: I think it’s not the time to be reflecting on issues of that nature. It has been recognised Brian’s commitment to the FAI, to Irish football. That is more a question for Brian who must consider the events of tonight. I will certainly wish him the best.
Q: What characteristics will be looking for in a new manager?
A: Well I think, as I’ve said, the sub-committee will look at it tomorrow in terms of what we want. We want a manager who will bring us success, that’s the bottom end of it.
Q: Do you regard the appointment of Brian Kerr was an experiment that didn’t work?
A: No I think Brian Kerr deserved to manager Ireland at some stage in his career. He got the opportunity. He deserved it based on what he did for Irish football and his commitment to the Irish game.
Q: Was it too early?
A: No, Brian is 52,53 years of age. He was underage manager and done very well at that. He had a big profile in the game at domestic level but when you look at it, it was probably the correct timing and he deserved a shot at it.
Q: Will there be a bigger salary available for a new manager?
A: Well it depends on who we get. I’m confident we can get a top class manager to manage this team going forward. It’s a question of the sub committee looking at it.
Q: But will be it be higher than previous salaries on offer?
A: I’m not going to get into wages. It was a decent salary and I think the salary that was before was also decent. We’re never going to match England and the Sven Goran Eriksson wages and we know that. But it’s a high profile job. It’s a good job and one we believe we can attract a top class manager going forward.
Q: Has anyone applied for the job already, or made their interest known to the FAI?
A: No, not officially and I think it would have been inappropriate. I think today was a decision about whether we continue with the management under Brian. That decision was made and the work starts tomorrow about finding a new manager.
Q: Was the recent spate of retirements from international football a consideration when deciding to seek a new manager?
A: No, I mean we looked at results and performances and they were the key aspects. I suppose the decline in our FIFA ranking and moving from a two to a four in the seeding ranking — they were the main aspects. Players change clubs, they play with each other at international level, against each other on Saturdays. I think Kenny Cunningham was quite honest about players and the views they have — they are used top managers coming and going and our job is to go out and get ourselves a manager, look forward to the European draw in January, see who we get.
Q: Do you hope to get a new manager in before the European Championships draw?
A: I think it’s a question of not timing, but who we get.
Q: In 2002, Bryan Hamilton was appointed to help look for a new manager, will a similar strategy be used this time?
A: The approach this time will be different. I think it will be more a head hunting role than the interview style role that was used last time. I think the head hunting role will be adopted. Whatever resources can help us to do that, we certainly will. But I don’t envisage another Bryan Hamilton type role this time around.
Q: Did Brian Kerr receive a pay-off?
A: I have to be consistent on this. I think it would be unfair of me to comment on issues of contract.
Q: Are any friendly internationals planned?
A: I think the most important thing for us is the appointment of a manager, I think the friendly arrangements will come after that.
Q: Packie Bonner and Noel O’Reilly were part of Brian Kerr’s backroom team but also had other roles within the FAI. Are their other roles affected by tonight’s decision?
A: Without getting into too much detail because I hate discussing individuals, but Packie is our Technical Director. I was with him last night in Castlebar going through a local football partnership and whatever time of the night it was. I am meeting Packie tomorrow on other issues so life goes on. Packie has a huge job to do and I’m fully supportive of what Packie does. The Technical Development Plan is something that we’re very much on the role to implementing. Packie’s job is as it is. Noel O’Reilly is a Regional Development Officer. We don’t play competitive internationals at Under 18 level but Noel is the existing manager.
Q: Has Chris Hughton’s contract with the FAI now ended?
A: Yeah, that’s right.
Q: Do you have a time frame on when you want a new manager to be appointed by?
A: I’m not going to speculate on it. Our next competitive game, depending on whether we are in a group of eight or seven will be next August or September. There is a window of time. It’s more important that we go out and get the correct appointment rather than say we must appoint somebody in a short period of time. This is about our long term future, this is a significant appointment for a period of time as well.
Q: Would you be happy to still be looking for a new manager next summer?
A: No I don’t think that would be too long but I’m not going to say to you that it’s going to be a week or two weeks.
Q: You suggest a long-term appointment. Will the next manager sign a contact that would take him up until the 2010 World Cup?
A: That will be negotiations with the individual. Terms and conditions will come down to timing and salary.
It was obvious Kerrs time was up but I think he was treated unfairly by Delaney & some sections of the media.
Kerr wasn't a bad manager & he wasn't a great manager. I don't see him as a manager to get great performances out of average players which is clearly the requirement going forward.
I expect Delaney already had his own short-list & I also expect a lot more great granny rule players being unearthed going forward.
Fair point mate but I still think he was treated fairly harshly. I don't think he deserved to go after one proper campaign.
I never thought I'd read business terms on foot.ie! Let's roll out the new players, ramp up the performance and win games going forward, it's important we don't drop the ball on this one.Sorry, I spend my working hours surrounded by it...
Sounds like theyve not got the foggiest and we might not have a manager for some time. It's not going to be good if we dont have any friendlies until after that. We need to make the most of any windows in the domestic season
While I agree it's not fair to blame Kerr 100% for the seeding drop (I think we were seeded first on different criteria too?), any two points would have moved us up to third seed. So you can pick McCarthy's two games, but also the draw in Albania and any one of the draws against Switzerland away, Russia and home and Israel twice when we lead, sat back and got what was coming to us. Kerr has to take most of the blame.
I agree that Elroy's post was pretty much spot on as well.
Did Delaney say anything at all of consequence in that interview above? Or is it just him saying "Sod off" to the media every time?
You're damned if you do. You're damned if you don't ? It was also apparently the decision of the whole of the Committee which included the Eircom League representative etc - is he a "blazer", whatever that means ?
The highest ranked team we beat under Kerr in a competitive game was Albania and I think that was a last minute goal by the much pilloried Doherty. Does that not say it all ?
However, the decision can only really be judged when we see the calibre of the replacement.
Think it was even an own goal while panicking at the sight of Ugly Ginger Pele standing five yards away from him.
McCarthy was not an Englishman. Born in England of an Irish father from Tallow, County Waterford. Irish passport and Mick McCarthy is a real English name ok. O'Leary and McGrath were born in England as well - are they English tossers ?
Charlton = 2 World Cups and a Euro 88 (1 and only time we qualified for that Championship) makes a tosser. I'd hate to see what's required to remove the "tosser" adjective.
Your attitude seems to be so long as he's born here, it doesn't matter how bad we are. This is the first time since 1986 we have not finished in the top 2of a qualifying campaign.
Definition: "Blazer" - in context, a business-minded person running a non-business (per se) body/group eg. Football Association of Ireland run by non football people! imo!!
Delaney et al should have sacked themselves, can someone explain to me how this sub-committee is qualified to choose an Itl. manager...?!
Last edited by Tired&Emotional; 19/10/2005 at 12:42 PM.
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