QuoteIt better not be Robson. As far as considering those that just missed out previously I'd prefer Bob Paisley to Robson, and he's dead.
There's no one else around, I think we should stick with Kerr.
Originally Posted by brine3
I don't think MON will take the job due to his wife being ill. George Burley definitely gets my vote.
It better not be Robson. As far as considering those that just missed out previously I'd prefer Bob Paisley to Robson, and he's dead.
There's no one else around, I think we should stick with Kerr.
To be honest, I've kind of lost faith in Kerr.
People say our team simply isn't good enough. I disagree. It's not world class, but the bottom line is we finished three points off automatic qualification. Five times in this campaign we took the lead and sat back - Israel twice, Cyprus away, Faroes at home and Switzerland away. We were steeped to get the three points from Nicosia, while we were punished three times. If we'd held on to any one of those wins, we'd be in the play-offs now. Why did the team sit back five times? You'd have to blame the manager surely? Defensive tactics - bringing off Morrison for Kavanagh with five minutes to go in Israel, Kavanagh for Keane at home against Israel, etc. If we had a manager who was a bit more attacking (McCarthy?!), I think we'd be at least in the play-offs now.
Though it's a moot point. For all Kerr's faults, he cares too much about Irish football and seems to have made an enemy in Delaney and will get the boot (although I do think the FAI were right to wait until the end of the campaign before deciding on a new contract, much as it galls me to give them any credit).
So a successor...
Anyone with a job is out. I don't see how we can afford the compensation. That rules out, among others, Robson and O'Leary.
I don't see the job being an unattractive one - someone else said that you've nothing to lose after our two worst qualifiying campaigns in nearly 20 years, and I'd agree.
O'Neill is the obvious name. Whether he'd want it though is another thing. Pros - Good Catholic lad who played GAA for Armagh in Croker (I think). Good at getting the best out of average squads. Cons - wife is ill (though part-time may suit if he does want to get back into football). Could we afford him?
Joe Kinnear is a strong possibility. Went for the job the last two times; former Irish international based (I think) in England (brownie points with the FAI); success with Wimbledon and, to a lesser extent, Luton.
Other former internationals - John Aldridge, Ronnie Whelan, Alan Kernaghan - have done reasonably well at club level with very limited resources, but probably don't have enough experience yet. Still, the same was said of McCarthy and he got the job.
McCarthy always said he'd like to return as manager. Probably the wrong time for him though as he's just getting somewhere with Sunderland (sounds like CM!).
Any big-name overseas manager is out because of cost. Scolari? Hiddink? Hitzfeld? Troussier? Get real.
Coppell and Allardyce are scary thoughts, although to give them credit, they're both doing well at the moment. Peter Reid?Don Givens?
Rico? Stepeh Kenny?
God this is depressing...If I were a gambler, I'd go Joe Kinnear. My personal choice if we could have whoever we want (who'd actually be interested) would be McCarthy.
tell me wat success mick mccarthy or jack charlton had before takin over the only person who had success is kerr and look where he got uskinda important bit ther isn't it
I Don't think O'Neill will be interested..If Villa lose against Birmingham this week the O"leary will be out the door sooner rather than later so he will probably top the list..I would have gone with Hiddink who has PROVED himself at the very top but he is unlikely to leave the kangeroos
hope Kerr is given another chance but unlikely.
Not that I supportting this idea, but it would not suprise me if they went with someone like Bobby Robson, in tandem with an ex-irish international player e.g. hughton
Bobby Robson with someone like Hughton is not a bad idea and might work..He will come cheap and that will play a big part!
Someone that was very interested in job the the last time - and I don't think has been mentioned yet by anyone is Kenny Dalglish. Although he would not be everyone's favourite, he is out of work at the minute but like Kinnear (when McCarthy got the job) said that he wouldn't apply for it, if the FAI wanted him they would have to make the first move. To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind seeing a Dalglish/Hughton or a Dalglish/Aldridge combination taking over.
In relation to Kerr, I personally do hope that he does the right thing and steps down. I would hate to see him being pushed out the door by the FAI, but agree with a lot of people here that he has been far from a success. Coming back from the game last night, I can honestly say that the only 'high-point' of the Kerr reign was the game in Paris. Everything else was either a let-down or what was expected (i.e. beating the Faroes, Cyprus, etc.).
Only twice since 1985 have we finished outside the top two in a Qualifying campaign - the last Euro qualifers (3rd) and this World Cup (4th) campaign. We have gone backwards instead of forward and I think Kerr must take the blame for this. People will say that the last Euro qualifers weren't Kerr's fault but the fact of the matter is, had we beaten Russia in Lansdowne that day, we would have had qualified for the play-offs. We led 1-0, but sat back and the game finished 1-1. Even then we still had a chance going to Switzerland, but like last night it turned out to be a non-event.
I don't see Bobby Robson as a candidate. He failed to exert control over young workshy overpaid upstarts at Newcastle, hardly the credentials required to take over the current Irish squad.
Is Chris Hughton discredited by the tactical failings of this regime?
Hiddink would be THE outstanding candidate & I reckon he's only looking at the Aussie job on a short-term basis. But isn't he still at PSV anyway?
Would the FAI hire a part-timer?
Would he work for the shambles that is the FAI? At Korea he effectively revamped the whole football association & infrastructure over there. I'd like to see him try over here!
If he got the job it'd be great if he could also use his influence to get some young Irish players into the Dutch league.
O'Leary would be a decent candidate though I've gone off him as a person.
I don't think MO'N would be interested either.
Big Joe?
I'd like to see Liam Brady step up to the plate but he's too cozy in a no-pressure job at Arsenal.
In the aftermath of last night's loss to Switzerland, bookmakers have been quick to lay odds on who will replace Kerr, if, as expected, he is not offered a new contract.
David O'Leary has emerged as an early favourite, with former Celtic manager Martin O'Neill also a contender. Roy Keane, who is likely to decide to hang up his international boots for the second time, is also considered among the running.
Paddy Power Betting:5/2 D O'Leary, 11/2 M O'Neill, 11/1 R Keane, 12/1 J Aldridge, 14/1 J Kinnear, 18/1 G Graham, 20/1 T Venables, 50/1 A Ferguson.
Life without Rovers, it makes no sense...it's a heartache...nothing but a fools game. S.R.F.C.
But Kerr's contract is up after this campaign, I don't know the official date. It's not a matter of pushing Kerr out, it the matter of whether the FAI chooses to renew his contract.
I would agree with Stuttgart88 about Huddink, he would be the ideal choice for me but I really think he is not going to do it. He has already committed to Austrailia for the playoff and for the World Cup if they qualify plus he is still coach of PSV. He has done wonders with PSV.
Another idea is Hitzfeld who isnt coaching right now.
Last edited by Metrostars; 13/10/2005 at 2:20 PM.
"Jacques Santini...will be greeted in every dugout of the country by "one-nil, one-nil" - Clive Tyldsley, 89th minute of France-England June 13, 2004.
"Ooooohhhh Nooooooo" Bobby Robson 91st minute.
MON is the only man for the job, the rest are a waste of time. O'Leary has done nothing to suggest he could manage a successful football team, just look at Villa this season. Bobby and Brian Robson? God help us if either one gets the nod.
PLEASE MON come back and manage us!!!!
Aertel are a disgrace. Look at their match report from last night -
Comments like this should wait until after a decision is made one way or the other. This is just tabloid journalism at its worst.
On the BBC website - Mark Lawrenson has warned against sacking Brian Kerr after the country's failure to qualify for the World Cup.
www.bbc.co.uk/football
I think I agree with Lawrenson.. Is a new manager going to be any better than Kerr? Who is going to come in and shake things up?
I do think Kerr's tactics have being exposed to be very basic in the last couple of games, particularly last night. It wasnt far off the long balls day of Charlton but at least it worked back then.
But Im not sure there is much of an alternative out there, MON would be a good choice in my opinion, I dont think DOL would be interested just yet. Other than that no other name (Irish or UK) suggested so far is overly convincing.
From a foreign manager perspective, yes it may be a welcome change to bring in a foreign coach with alternative tactics etc however do keep in mind the example of Vogts and Scotland. If Ireland had a foreign manager and had a couple of bad results, the manager would be slated by the media as "he wouldnt be able to instill passion in the team etc etc"
The biggest problem with this team is the midfield, I looked at the prospective team for the first Euro qualfiers and we have decent players (inc those coming through) all over the field except in central midfield. As far as Im concerned thats where our biggest problem lies.
I'm open to ideas, but as a Forest fan I cannot warn you enough about the dangers of appointing Joe Kinnear as manager. His hayday is long gone my friends, he is aloof, arrogant and has no idea about modern football management. If you thought Kerr made some bad decisions during games, then just wait to see what Kinnear would have in store.
Failing to start one of our most talented players, despite him coming on at half time and completely changing the game a number of times, was one of his favourites. Supplying the first team with free chocolate bars and doing nothing to stop the drink problem at the club were close seconds.
If I were on the FAI panel of manager selection I'd put my foot down with Venables too. One of the biggest crooks to ever be in the game and as guilty for bringing down Leeds United as Peter Risdale.
Kenny Dalglish would be a problem as most people can't understand a word he says, and he hasn't produced anything with a football team in over a decade. Unless you rate turning Newcastle from one of the most exciting teams in England, to a dour and wholly unsuccessful side as a good thing.
I'd happily have Martin O'Neill if he wanted the job in the slightest. Although he does prefer having a big man up front (so have many past Ireland managers, with some success), I believe he is tactically astute enough to make the best of an iffy bunch. Ladbrokes in England have installed him as 9/4 favourite, for what its worth.
I'd also have O'Leary or any foreign coach with a reputation, if the FAI decided to go all out and try and start qualifying for tournament. Gus Hiddink appeals to me, and I think Ireland would appeal to him, as travelling halfway across the World to manage a team against American Samoa can't be ideal for him.
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I dont really think Kerr should go... the simple fact of the matter is that we dont have the players. Jack and Mick were far luckier than Kerr and everyone HAS to accept that !!
You make your own luck.
Israel at home in June was what did it for me.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
An utterly depressing list of candidates on this thread: Dave O'Leary, Sam Allerdice, Joe Kinnear, Brian Robson, John Aldridge, Alan Kernaghan. Awful stuff. Are any of these jokers a better option than Kerr? Martin O'Neill might do a job but I can't see him taking it.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
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