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    Unions - The Root Of All Evil?

    After hearing the news that Security staff at Dublin Airport are considering all-out strike action as part of a dispute over the hiring of part-time workers, I think it's fair to say tha Unions are more trouble than they're worth.

    They hold the country to ransom and take advantage of their position to bully their employers. I think we should make it illegal to cause widespread disruption by industrial action. If I have a dispute with my boss, it's between him and I. Our customers should never be aware of it.

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    Totally agree. No place for unions in todays Ireland. We have minimum wage & employment law that protects workers now. The state would be better off employing more staff to police employment law than to pander to unions.

    With social partnership these unions have a lot more power than elected representatives in the Dail which is plain wrong.

    Thankfully public sympathy for unions has decreased a lot of recent years. Very little support for unions that are just protecting their own cushy jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pete
    We have minimum wage & employment law that protects workers now.
    Which came about because of the...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahamsta
    Which came about because of the...?
    European Union?
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    They have good points and bad points....they're not for me though. I remember in the mid-seventies my dad lost his job when a union closed down a 1500 strong workforce in Ferenka, a factory in Limerick. That led to temporary rations in the house, and also no new football boots for me that Christmas...

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    I sense another thouroughly depressing thread coming up - along the lines of the anti-Rossport 5 thread which was full of baloney about the rule of law. A rule of law that has never bothered the likes of Shell. And now it's the unions turn.

    Unions have their faults but at the very least they are a neccessary evil. I take it Pete and Peader have no idea of working conditions at Dublin Airport. Contracting jobs out means less pay, worse conditions, no job-security. And all of this so a semi-state company can build a new terminal on our behalf.

    I despair of the inate conservatism of our Celtic Tiger generation. And I thought young people were supposed to have a sense of fairness and justice that's has largely been beaten out of older people.

    Peadar's line about unions "bullying employers" would count as brilliant satire if it wasn't so bleeding depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
    I take it Pete and Peader have no idea of working conditions at Dublin Airport.
    You're the one who seems to have no idea.
    They're moaning that their employer is hiring part time staff to cover additional demands and that they should be doing overtime instead of hiring more staff. Greed in its purest form!

    I was with a union in one of my earliest jobs and in a election we were given a form and told who to vote for. None of us knew who the people were but no one rocked the boat by questioning it.

    The Unions have run their course, disband them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peadar
    They're moaning that their employer is hiring part time staff to cover additional demands and that they should be doing overtime instead of hiring more staff. Greed in its purest form
    This is the same as whats happening at An Post .... the staff want to continue overtime and the company want to cut it out. Overtime is a short term measure, hiring staff according to the workload should be done thing. If there are more job available to the workforce, why should a small few be allowed to curb this.

    Fire the lot of them i say .... bástards on their go slow can stop for all i care !!
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    If the working conditions are so bad in Dublin Airport why don't the employees leave their jobs? If they are skilled workers should be able to move into different industry & if unskilled there are more jobs for that sector than we can fiull currently.

    If have seen unions picket factories because construction workers from outside have come in to do the extra work required. The construction workers didn't get paid if didn't go to work but did the union workers care?

    I've seen unions refuse to represent part-timer workers in Quninnsworth dispite taking their subs off them every week. The workers had to picket to get the unions to represent them.

    I've done summer work where i couldn't work in a factory area unless i joined the union.

    I could go on...
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    The title of this thread is both wrong and misleading, everyone knows that women are the root of evil:

    Women require time and money, so
    Women = time x money

    We know that "time is money" so
    time = money.

    Using the first formula,
    Women = money x money, so
    Women = money squared

    As "Money is the root of all evil"
    Women = Evil.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pete

    I could go on...
    There's no need, your PD membership card is in the post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
    your PD membership card is in the post.

    Pete tore up his Pat Dolan membership card a long time ago.
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    Agency workers cost the public service more money than staff. FACT
    Agency workers get paid less - the agency make the money. FACT

    Hopefully this is the last national agreement and the unions won't have their hands tied so much in the future.

    IBEC, Pete and Peader would have everyone (presumably even themselves) replaced by people paid way below the minimum wage, a la Irish Ferries.

    Non-union members should be excluded from all wage agreements, and any other benefits gained by the unions. If they don't want to be part of a collective, I've no problem - once they're excluded from all aspects.
    If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macy
    Agency workers cost the public service more money than staff. FACT
    In the short term, perhaps but the public sector is full of wasters who can't do a decent days work without expecting a week off in return and can't be fired. The public sector are right up there with the Unions for being more trouble than they're worth...
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    Talk about mass generalisations...
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    It's all about the masses though Dodge!

    (I agree though. Horrendous stereotyping and pigeonholing from the very first post.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahamsta
    (I agree though. Horrendous stereotyping and pigeonholing from the very first post.)
    It's done on almost every post.
    Things are much easier when you organise stuff into groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peadar
    In the short term, perhaps but the public sector is full of wasters who can't do a decent days work without expecting a week off in return and can't be fired. The public sector are right up there with the Unions for being more trouble than they're worth...
    Peadar, I presume you and the other union bashers are speaking tongue in cheek? Disband the unions? The public sector being full of wasters ? Is this the kind of thinking that modern Ireland is producing - A land of help yourself and fcuk everyone else
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