More British-born players anyone?(2G discussion

**Metrostars** · 10/10/2005, 7:26 PM

Has Ireland ever had a player born outside of England/Scotland play for us?

**Donal81** · 10/10/2005, 7:39 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Has Ireland ever had a player born outside of England/Scotland play for us?

Patrick Kohlmann in the underage teams but I can't think of any senior players. Well, there is Stephen McPhail who was born in New York but I think he was raised in Ireland.

**davey** · 10/10/2005, 8:22 PM

Originally Posted by as_i_say

My favorite granny plastics would be andy townsend, john aldridge (great grandmother!!) and Cas, who should never have been allowed to play for us but was a great lad.

Don't think thats actually strictly true about Cas. Was it not that his Grandparent, whom he actually qualified through, was adopted? so although there was no blood link to Ireland, he was still legally permitted to play for us??

**Cowboy** · 10/10/2005, 9:07 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Lawrenson's an interesting one alright & I've always wondered about him.

But after England won the Rugby WC he was on MOTD that night. Lineker was being really smug and asked Lawrsenson his opinion. He replied "You may be happy but I'm not so sure, as an Irishman".

Lawrenson once said that it was Alan Kelly Senior who convinced him to play for Ireland

**Cowboy** · 10/10/2005, 9:09 PM

Originally Posted by davey

he was still legally permitted to play for us??

Yes he was legitimately allowed to play for us although he made a big song and dance about it when his book came out.

**Zidane** · 10/10/2005, 9:20 PM

Didnt Jon Goodman ( Wimbledon) who was adopted get a cap when he found out that his natural father or mother was Irish.

I heard that Paul Butler was only able to play for Ireland because he married an Irish girl.

Could be wrong on both of those.

**TheJamaicanP.M.** · 10/10/2005, 9:38 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

Has Ireland ever had a player born outside of England/Scotland play for us?

As well as Patrick Kohlmann, I seem to recall a goalkeeper from Holland playing an underage game for Brian Kerr. Think his name was Wesdey Abdul Azis (spelling?). Think his dad was Indian and his mam was Irish. In addition, a young Italian also played a couple of underage games (think it was 1997). Can't remember his name but his mother was from Roscommon. He was a youth team player at Sampdoria.

I know we've had some great 2nd and 3rd generation Irish over the years but think of all those players we've missed out on:
Kevin Keegan, Mike Phelan!!, Martin Keown, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Jose Luis Brown (scored for Argentina in 1986 World Cup Final - relatives in Cork and Athlone), Landon Donovan and Brian McBride from the US.

Dion Fanning actually wrote an interesting article in yesterday's Sunday Independent about the whole issue of players born outside Ireland and that maybe this current Irish team is lacking the diaspora influence. Interesting read.

Franck Quedrue anyone?

**TonyD** · 10/10/2005, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by TheJamaicanP.M.

I know we've had some great 2nd and 3rd generation Irish over the years but think of all those players we've missed out on:
Kevin Keegan, Mike Phelan!!, Martin Keown, Steven Gerrard, Wayne Rooney, Jose Luis Brown (scored for Argentina in 1986 World Cup Final - relatives in Cork and Athlone), Landon Donovan and Brian McBride from the US.

I believe Paul Scholes falls into this camp as well, more qualified than some who have actually played for us I seem to recall reading somwhere. On Mark Lawrenson, I think it was just a case of us getting him early, while he was playing for Preston or Brighton(Not sure which) Then again it was probably playing for Ireland that got him noticed and landed him his big move to Liverpool, so he may not have had the career he did had he not played for us. Incidently he does appear to suffer from a slightly split personality on the nationality front, he was on football focus the other week talking about England as "we" and "us".

**tetsujin1979** · 10/10/2005, 10:55 PM

I'm not 100% on this, but I believe Paddy McCarthy was actually born in Mexico City!!
Also was Fabian O'Neill (Uruguayan winger) eligible for us?

**Cowboy** · 10/10/2005, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Zidane

Didnt Jon Goodman ( Wimbledon) who was adopted get a cap when he found out that his natural father or mother was Irish.

I heard that Paul Butler was only able to play for Ireland because he married an Irish girl.

Could be wrong on both of those.

You are right on both AFAIK, its the entitlement to a passport that counts

**robbie_B** · 10/10/2005, 10:59 PM

You think the Irish born players are bothered about the accents of their teamates? Does clinton get quized on his knowledge of Irish history or are they more concerned about him working his ******** off when he pulls on the jersey?

**Dodge** · 10/10/2005, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by robbie_B

You think the Irish born players are bothered about the accents of their teamates? Does clinton get quized on his knowledge of Irish history or are they more concerned about him working his ******** off when he pulls on the jersey?

Well Roy Keane waas famously bothered about it...

**robbie_B** · 11/10/2005, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Well Roy Keane waas famously bothered about it...

But is it just Keane who is bothered by it? Sure Keane would always find something to moan about.

**Plastic Paddy** · 11/10/2005, 5:20 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Well Roy Keane waas famously bothered about it...

That's famous hearsay. None of us know what was said in that room. It certainly suited the agendae of some "commentators" (and one or two posters on here?) for Keane to have called Mick Mac (and by extension all 2G and 3G players) an "English c**t"...

PP

**shakermaker1982** · 11/10/2005, 7:09 AM

Would have loved to see the reaction in that room when keano went nuts at Mick back in 2002.

Haven't heard the Clinton incident though? "Who is Parnell mister and what religion was he as a bonus point" !!!

**razor** · 11/10/2005, 7:27 AM

Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

That's famous hearsay. None of us know what was said in that room. It certainly suited the agendae of some "commentators" (and one or two posters on here?) for Keane to have called Mick Mac (and by extension all 2G and 3G players) an "English c**t"..

Didn't Mother Niall come out and say that Roy never made that comment and sure Niall never tells lies.

**as_i_say** · 11/10/2005, 9:02 AM

i would be amazed if keane ever said something like that about players with english accents. I think it was around the time that he allegedly called McCarthy an English cu*t whereas in fact he only called him a fu cking cu*t. Also read somewhere that clinton and keane are actually quite good buds in the irish set up.

**eirebhoy** · 11/10/2005, 9:28 AM

Originally Posted by as_i_say

i would be amazed if keane ever said something like that about players with english accents.

Considering his kids would have English accents I very much doubt Keane has a problem with it.

**as_i_say** · 11/10/2005, 9:31 AM

anyway the likes of finnan and doherty are from limerick and donegal respectively and both have durty cockneys on them. Keane would have been made an outcast if he ever said something that daft

**Dodge** · 11/10/2005, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by as_i_say

anyway the likes of finnan and doherty are from limerick and donegal respectively and both have durty cockneys on them. Keane would have been made an outcast if he ever said something that daft

... As opposed to being made an outcast for walking out on the team before the world cup.

I said the think above as a joke. It's totally different on a one to one basis as I'm sure they're all nice lads.