Games weekend 4th July

**sbgawa** · 02/07/2025, 3:10 PM

Premier Division

Friday 4th (All 19:45)

St Pats v Bohemians
Shelbourne v Cork
Drogheda v Galway
Derry v Waterford

Saturday 5th

Sligo v Shamrock Rovers (19:45)

Division 1

Friday 4th (All 19:45)

Bray v Wexford
Cobh v Athlone
Finn Harps v Longford
Kerry v Dundalk
UCD v Treaty

**sbgawa** · 02/07/2025, 3:17 PM

Big game for Drogs a Galway win would put Galway 3 points behind with two games in hand.
If Drogs want to make Europe these are the games they need to winto put the teams behind them off.
Pats with 2 points from 5 games must be desperate for a win and Friday against Bohs will be a big test, the Pats supporters will be a disgruntled bunch if Bohs turn them over.
Waterford were decent against us and will hopefully do us a favour against Derry.
Sligo are one of the in form teams at the moment and they hate us up there,,big test but its our last league match for a month....dig in for 3 points and then see how the chasers get on with the games in hand while we thanks to Drogs do......F ALL.

Dundalk with a big win last week travel to in form Kerry (performance wise if not results) with Cobh at home to the basket case that is Athlone they need to pick up the 3 points and continue to drive on

**Keen2win** · 03/07/2025, 8:30 AM

Thanks lad yer dead right, hopefully young Elding continues to show everyone how to play football and Sligo Rovers beat the Shamrocks - homeless homeless Shamrocks until they played the pauper to the council, in fairness pats and bohs constantly begging for the council to sort their sh!t out too - gimme gimme gimme .. I see the fai are scrambling to get him signed up now that he is showing himself the best in country, should have been done years ago.. problem was that Paul Osam etc just like pickings dubs that wouldn'tlace his boots , I believe he has family connections in pats it so boring . . . But the cream rises to the top, hopefully he stays with Ireland but after how the dub fai treated him he might be considering sticking with his birth country I don't know

As for ltfc, I'll leave that to the experts that make new profiles and post 90% of their posts at me kc (this is Longford lad, lets meet lets go) 😂😂😂😂😂🍍

**Buckett** · 03/07/2025, 10:04 AM

That's a fairly bizarre rant! Interesting that you mention "playing the pauper" while your own club, just this week, set up a gofundme account to re-build a wall!

**2 Year Contract** · 03/07/2025, 10:42 AM

Half 9 in the mornings a bit early to be on the whiskey

**Kiki Balboa** · 03/07/2025, 11:35 AM

Sligo seem (as an outsider) going to most improve this window. Its a big ask for them to catch up to Waterford, but if they are able to get that far, in their current form, Pats will also be in trouble.

With all the extra games in hand, thought it would be handy to look at Points Per Game. Looks more grim for Pats, with a strong top 3 emerging.

Rovers: 2
Derry: 1.68
Bohs: 1.68
Drogheda: 1.46
Shelbourne: 1.33
St. Pats: 1.29
Galway: 1.31
Waterford: 1.22
Sligo: 0.86
Cork: 0.68

To put into context, last year: Dundalk finished bottom with 0.72, Drogheda went into the playoff at 0.94, Bohs in 8th with 1.17, St. Pats in 3rd with 1.64, and Champions Shels with 1.75.

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In the First this year, Dundalk are on 2.19, and Cork finished on 2.17 last year. Cork has a cake walk, but even though things are closer in the First, Dundalk are getting more per game than Cork did.

**Another Bohemia** · 03/07/2025, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa

Sligo seem (as an outsider) going to most improve this window. Its a big ask for them to catch up to Waterford, but if they are able to get that far, in their current form, Pats will also be in trouble.

With all the extra games in hand, thought it would be handy to look at Points Per Game. Looks more grim for Pats, with a strong top 3 emerging.

Rovers: 2
Derry: 1.68
Bohs: 1.68
Drogheda: 1.46
Shelbourne: 1.33
St. Pats: 1.29
Galway: 1.31
Waterford: 1.22
Sligo: 0.86
Cork: 0.68

To put into context, last year: Dundalk finished bottom with 0.72, Drogheda went into the playoff at 0.94, Bohs in 8th with 1.17, St. Pats in 3rd with 1.64, and Champions Shels with 1.75.

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In the First this year, Dundalk are on 2.19, and Cork finished on 2.17 last year. Cork has a cake walk, but even though things are closer in the First, Dundalk are getting more per game than Cork did.

That's really interesting. I think 2+ PPG is a normal enough league winning number. I think Shels were an anomaly with 1.75 last year but I'd take an anomaly league win because they all count the same.

For the moment it looks like the teams at the bottom are slightly more adrift than last year although I wouldn't have thought that. Perhaps the league is just that bit stronger than last year? Still a lot of games to play and a few teams in Europe who may find form or suffer European hangovers so it will be interesting to see how a table like this evolves over the next few weeks.

**sbgawa** · 03/07/2025, 12:54 PM

This is where the games in hand thing tends to make us automatically do the +3 maths which is lazy ,,,,,,,Derry/Bohs 11 /12 behind are only 5/6 points behind with their 2 games in hand.
Statistacally both will only take 3 or 4 points from those matchs (one they play each other). One of them needs to win both matches to keep the pressure on.
Both on a decent run of form.

Re Another Bohemians point about 2 per game being a normal winning score Bohs achieved slightly above 2 per game in 2020 but were unlucky to come up against probably the best Rovers team in terms of play that year averageing 2.67 PPG , 44 goals scored and only 7 conceded in the shortened 18 game season.

I think i went back 20 years looking for a lower PPG then Shels last year as a winning total.....from memory i think there may have been 1

2020 was the year Cork and Shels were relgated following Harps doing a Steve McQueen....

**Dermobohs** · 03/07/2025, 1:06 PM

I’d rather the points than games in hand tbh

**Another Bohemia** · 03/07/2025, 1:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dermobohs

I’d rather the points than games in hand tbh

Agreed, games in hand are a bit decieving unless you have games in hand & a lead over the competition then they are great.

**El-Pietro** · 03/07/2025, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by Kiki Balboa

Sligo seem (as an outsider) going to most improve this window. Its a big ask for them to catch up to Waterford, but if they are able to get that far, in their current form, Pats will also be in trouble.

With all the extra games in hand, thought it would be handy to look at Points Per Game. Looks more grim for Pats, with a strong top 3 emerging.

Rovers: 2
Derry: 1.68
Bohs: 1.68
Drogheda: 1.46
Shelbourne: 1.33
St. Pats: 1.29
Galway: 1.31
Waterford: 1.22
Sligo: 0.86
Cork: 0.68

To put into context, last year: Dundalk finished bottom with 0.72, Drogheda went into the playoff at 0.94, Bohs in 8th with 1.17, St. Pats in 3rd with 1.64, and Champions Shels with 1.75.

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In the First this year, Dundalk are on 2.19, and Cork finished on 2.17 last year. Cork has a cake walk, but even though things are closer in the First, Dundalk are getting more per game than Cork did.

At this point last year City had played 22 games and collected 49 points, with 14 wins, 1 loss and 7 draws. 2.23 points per game. By the time we won the division we had played 30 games, winning 17, losing 1 and drawing 9, for a total of 69 points or 2.3 points per game.

After securing promotion we won two of our final six games, losing 1 and drawing 3. Comparing our full season to your season right now is misleading.

**brendy_�ire** · 04/07/2025, 8:31 AM

Originally Posted by sbgawa

Waterford were decent against us and will hopefully do us a favour against Derry.

Waterford have beaten us twice this season. We've been rubbish in both games.
Waterford are a bit like Cork though, in that they can't keep a clean sheet. We've gotten better at plugging away at teams that sit in until we get a goal. Decent test of that tonight.
We've Irish League refs tonight. I like these exchange programmes, feel that IL refs are more inclined to let the game flow.

I probably think this every week now, but it feels like a big game for Pat's tonight. Can't say I fancy them at all against Bohs.

**D24Saint** · 04/07/2025, 9:39 AM

We could do without playing Bohs tonight. I've done the whole be optimistic and our form will change thing over the past few weeks and it just hasn't. On paper it looks a Bohs win.

**Dermobohs** · 04/07/2025, 5:10 PM

I felt you played better last week, always wary of st pats.would I take a draw now? I’m hopeful of three points but yes one would do, Europe is the target, keep the points tally ticking over.
Watching on the tellybox tonight, hens teeth those tickets are.
Let’s hope for a decent spectacle anyhow keep the image right!

**Tomas** · 04/07/2025, 6:05 PM

What a tricky set of fixtures in both top divisions.

Its about 15mins walk to bookies for me but I have no clue. Havent put a bet on for good couple months. Thankfully the games are so hard to predict so I save some change for Prazdroj.

Will try and find Pats v Bohs stream, that should be a decent game. Must be a sell-out.

Wild predictions: Waterford draw Drogheda win Shelbourne draw Dublin Derby in Inchicore draw
Bray draw Athlone shocking win Finn Harps win Kerry amazing draw Treaty win