LOI In Europe 2025

Have UEFA ever thrown a team out of a competition due to the multi club ownership rules? I don't recall any.

Originally Posted by sidewayspasser

Have UEFA ever thrown a team out of a competition due to the multi club ownership rules? I don't recall any.

Pretty sure Leipzig and Salzburg have played each other in the group stages of the Europa league so I'd be very surprised if any club has been thrown out because of multi club ownership.

Both Club Leon and Pachuca qualified for the Club World Cup this summer but Club Leon were thrown out of it by FIFA as the 2 clubs share the same owners. The owners brought it to CAS but the appeal was rejected by CAS and the decision was upheld.

Obviously that’s a FIFA competition as opposed to a UEFA one but it’s a recent example of a similar issue

UEFA will probably bend the rules until they can change them as this is becoming a growing issue, as AB rightly suggests UEFA will hardly annoy the money by enforcing the rules. If they do it will be for relatively small clubs and owners they can push around but precedence is set and CAS would probably rule in favour on appeal. If there were regular loans, or closer practical ties between Drogs and Silkeborg rather than Walsall it could be a harder sell. Interesting case regardless and it will show UEFAs real thinking and hence the multiclub will either grow in numbers or a return to the old feeder club model.

In anticipation of Notts Forest qualifying for the CL alongside Olympiakos, whom he also owned, Evangelos Marinakis divested himself of his shares in Forest a few weeks back. He did so by means of transferring them instead to a blind trust in which he had no controlling* interest.

Forest then failed to make the CL and had to make do with the Conference instead...



* - No siree, no interest, none at all, in a trust which is blinder than a very blind thing down a coalmine.

Derry Journal reporting no other Irish club applied for European license so if Drogs kicked out then only 3 Irish teams in Europe is season.

Originally Posted by refjohn

Derry Journal reporting no other Irish club applied for European license so if Drogs kicked out then only 3 Irish teams in Europe is season.

Wow! That is incredibly short sighted of Derry considering this has been a potential issue for months. Regardless of whether Drogheda get in or not I wouldn’t be happy with the powers that be at the club if I was a Derry fan. Can only imagine the ****storm if Drogs do miss out and Derry do too

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

In anticipation of Notts Forest qualifying for the CL alongside Olympiakos, whom he also owned, Evangelos Marinakis divested himself of his shares in Forest a few weeks back. He did so by means of transferring them instead to a blind trust in which he had no controlling* interest.

Forest then failed to make the CL and had to make do with the Conference instead...



* - No siree, no interest, none at all, in a trust which is blinder than a very blind thing down a coalmine.

This has happened before with other clubs too. The owners had to sell some of the club (or transfering ownership) and become minority owners in one of the clubs to allow both play in same tournament

I know a few Drogheda fans and would personally be disappointed for them, for the club in general all I could do is laugh

Originally Posted by Buckett

Thanks ccity.

I knew the Cup winners would get Europa League. I probably should have phrased my question better. At what position in the co-efficient rankings would we have to get to so that our League runner-up gets a place in the EL along with our Cup winner?

Very few countries get representation at EL - it consists of (i) cup winners or their replacements, (ii) One other team from each of the top 12 leagues, (iii) teams that drop down from the Champions League Qualifiers & (iv) Conference league winners of previous season {not always used - next season Chelsea won't take this slot}.

Just noticed that Crystal Palace/Lyon/Brondby who have owners in common and all qualified to play in Europe next season, seem to have run into a similar problem for now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...lace-them.html

Probably saves any issues for smaller clubs/leagues. UEFA wont stand up to the clout of EPL, and it'd be ridiculous to cherry pick the rules for some clubs, well since the days of Delaney being foiled.

I'm pretty interested to see how all this plays out with the multiclub ownership.
What will be the reasons given for how the RBs and City Groups are fine but the Trivelas aren't.

Is it just simply that Trivela didn't bother to do any of the superficial changes to board members or create the shadow entities they needed to bluff through the farcical rules in place?

Would be a complete disaster for Drogs if they didn't get any European money and if the LOI only had 3 clubs competing this season.

From a co-efficient pov, it would mean that we divide our total score by 3 rather than 4, right? Tiny silver lining would be that were much more likely to secure Europa League football for our cup winners in the medium term if we only had 3 clubs in Europe this year.

If the teams were in different European competitions then it would seem straightforward but with the 3 competitions so connected now it definitely is a issue.
This will have to come to a head sooner or later.

Originally Posted by yurt

I'm pretty interested to see how all this plays out with the multiclub ownership.
What will be the reasons given for how the RBs and City Groups are fine but the Trivelas aren't.

Is it just simply that Trivela didn't bother to do any of the superficial changes to board members or create the shadow entities they needed to bluff through the farcical rules in place?

I can imagine that City Group and RB group will have anticipated this, and will have had multiple European qualification as an aim, rather than an afterthought, so they'll have done the structural work beforehand and made sure that fig leaves are in place etc. They also know that they have probably have enough clout to weather any issues.

Not sure if Trivela would have anticipated being in a similar position.

Still, though, I have no idea how fudgable any of this is. Could be an illuminating test case, how harshly will UEFA deal with this compared to bigger clubs, how toothy are the rules in reality? I'm reminded of how Man City haven't really been hampered by their 130-odd "misunderstandings."

Originally Posted by ccity

Very few countries get representation at EL - it consists of (i) cup winners or their replacements, (ii) One other team from each of the top 12 leagues, (iii) teams that drop down from the Champions League Qualifiers & (iv) Conference league winners of previous season {not always used - next season Chelsea won't take this slot}.

Your point (iii) - teams dropping from CL to EL - no longer applies since UEFA revamped the CL format for 2024/25.

Otherwise we might not have seen Man U and Spurs make it all the way to the EL Final.

Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Your point (iii) - teams dropping from CL to EL - no longer applies since UEFA revamped the CL format for 2024/25.

Otherwise we might not have seen Man U and Spurs make it all the way to the EL Final.

You missed the bit where he said qualifiers and not groups

I cant believe none of the premier teams applied for a UEFA licence (other than the 4 who qualified) , i remember multiple clubs got UEFA licences in years past including some first division clubs (Longford were one) i remember thinking at the time "what are them eejits up to" , well if they had applied this year they could be playing in Europe

Originally Posted by sbgawa

I cant believe none of the premier teams applied for a UEFA licence (other than the 4 who qualified) , i remember multiple clubs got UEFA licences in years past including some first division clubs (Longford were one) i remember thinking at the time "what are them eejits up to" , well if they had applied this year they could be playing in Europe

Was that not just the LOI licensing process though - which said if your ground was up to PD or UEFA standard? Is the actual European licensing process not different - whereby you have to nominate the ground you'll actually use in Europe? So for example, Tallaght could be licensed as a Category 3 stadium, but Rovers then go and nominate Lansdowne instead for their actual games in Europe.

Originally Posted by EatYerGreens

Was that not just the LOI licensing process though - which said if your ground was up to PD or UEFA standard? Is the actual European licensing process not different - whereby you have to nominate the ground you'll actually use in Europe? So for example, Tallaght could be licensed as a Category 3 stadium, but Rovers then go and nominate Lansdowne instead for their actual games in Europe.

No, Sgbawa is correct, we had a Euro license a few years ago.

Originally Posted by outspoken

No, Sgbawa is correct, we had a Euro license a few years ago.

But how did you apply for it ? To UEFA - and if so, why?