LOI In Europe 2025

[2 Year Contract]

I see Dan tweeting Drogheda’s appeal has been rejected

The additional over 100k spent on legal fees now doesn’t look the may west when added to the 525k they’ve missed out on

[oriel]

it has been rejected, that's confirmed now, they also spent '6 figures' on the appeal, so thats 100k min lost now along with the 525k they wont get.

Sorry for some of the Drogs fans I know, but as a whole they should be asking serious questions to their owners, Barry Landy local journalist there called this potential tricky situation out 3 or 4 months ago. The owners obv gambled on the Danish side not making euro (remember Drogs had effectively qualified Nov 2024), but they made it last day or latter end of their season, and as higher ranked took the spot. They had months to prepare for this eventuality and seemingly did nothing.

All the blame on this should not be directed towards UEFA / CAS, it is firmly on the doorstep of Trivela Group.

[ger121]

I’m more ****ed off we didn’t apply for a licence. Something for the next AGM no doubt.

[2 Year Contract]

Aside from the obvious fact that the league will now only have 3 representatives etc, rovers starting in the second round is a shame as they’d have likely picked up 2 wins in the first round which would’ve been handy for the league’s coefficient

[sidewayspasser]

It's a collective failure of all PD clubs who didn't bother applying. I guess some will learn and put an application in next season, just in case.

[pineapple stu]

All the blame on this should not be directed towards UEFA / CAS, it is firmly on the doorstep of Trivela Group.

Definitely. Frustrating (but not surprising) to read Drogheda's statement. They're a poor community club, the ruling is unjust, they disagree with it, they'll push for reform, they've never been handed anything - typical activist ******ology. One throwaway line to say they accept responsibility and then back to ranting.

I'd be furious at Trivela if I was a Drogheda fan.

[Mr_Parker]

Where have the FAI been in all this?

An interesting line in the CAS statement this evening.

"The Panel considered the evidence and found that, despite a change of assessment date from 3 June 2025 to 1 March 2025, such change was properly communicated by UEFA and that DUFC knew or ought to have known about this change."

To be aware of this change, a club would need to have had a UEFA Circular of the 7th October 2024 sent to national associations shared with them. Did the FAI share it with the LOI clubs?

If they did not, did the UEFA take the position that "ignorance of the law is no defence" and the CAS accepted that position? The other way to see UEFA Circulars is to check their website on occasion, but as we all know, the intent to keep checking is not always followed through and therefore it is essential that national associations share ALL circulars with clubs, both those from UEFA and those from FIFA.

It will be interesting to see if the full determination is published in the coming months.

[Stevie mac]

The only people who are too blame in all this are Trivela. Europe isn't for everyone

[Nesta99]

Definitely. Frustrating (but not surprising) to read Drogheda's statement. They're a poor community club, the ruling is unjust, they disagree with it, they'll push for reform, they've never been handed anything - typical activist ******ology. One throwaway line to say they accept responsibility and then back to ranting.

I'd be furious at Trivela if I was a Drogheda fan.

They were handed a first league and cup back in the day by spending borrowed money. They've always had a victim mentality. They even dodged their end because the FAI reluctantly bought Unted Park to bail them out. I am slightly amused but only because they are not taking any real responsibility, even partially, for the mess. Id still like to know, if anyone does, who different a PD licence is from a European one, just the actual submission envelope and stamp?

[Mr_Parker]

They were handed a first league and cup back in the day by spending borrowed money. They've always had a victim mentality. They even dodged their end because the FAI reluctantly bought Unted Park to bail them out. I am slightly amused but only because they are not taking any real responsibility, even partially, for the mess. Id still like to know, if anyone does, who different a PD licence is from a European one, just the actual submission envelope and stamp?

There are differences. How significant they are is debatable.

You can see them contain in the Licensing document.

https://d2w4iw8gs9jo14.cloudfront.ne...ing_Manual.pdf

[redobit]

The model they signed up for worked great for them when they won the cup and probably stopped them getting relegated. Its the same model that now is going to work against them. Can't have it every way, when ye know what ye sign up for.

[Bohtastic]

"We will push for reform so that no other community club finds itself in this position again"
Trivela's ownership kind of undermines the plucky little community club battlers tag.

[sbgawa]

so what happens now...do trivela sell? or is it one of these blind trusts to hold the sgares, which is a load of legal ******, they as do the forest owner will still call the shots

[Another Bohemia]

"We will push for reform so that no other community club finds itself in this position again"
Trivela's ownership kind of undermines the plucky little community club battlers tag.

Ironically a community club wouldn't have found themselves in this situation so there's no need to push for reform. The system works. I have some sympathy for the fans of Drogheda and that's where it stops. Trivela & the clubs board dropped the ball on this one and shoulder the majority of the blame. If other clubs are exploiting loopholes the framework to get around the rules exists and can be implemented if they wanted to. They were either too lazy or ignorant to bother.

[Eminence Grise]

Thinking overnight… there must be* a participation clause with the FAI that clubs will not do anything that damages the reputation or integrity of the association and its competitions. Trivela have damaged the league’s ranking with the co-efficient of three clubs divisible by four. (I think the only way they definitively can't damage the ranking is if all clubs lose all their European ties.) Should the FAI take action against Trivela? Punitive action, or force ownership into a blind trust, and make that a condition for any club in a multi-club ownership model going forward?

*Well, it’s the FAI after all so maybe not.

[2 Year Contract]

The pots for today’s draw are out.

Pats will play one of
BFC Daugavpils (LVA)
FCB Magpies (GIB)
NSÍ Runavík (FRO)
FC Hegelmann (LTU)

and Shels will play one of
Fotbal Club FCSB (ROU)
Lincoln Red Imps FC (GIB)
FC Drita (KOS)
Breidablik (ISL)
Linfield FC (NIR)

[pineapple stu]

Thinking overnight… there must be* a participation clause with the FAI that clubs will not do anything that damages the reputation or integrity of the association and its competitions. Trivela have damaged the league’s ranking with the co-efficient of three clubs divisible by four. (I think the only way they definitively can't damage the ranking is if all clubs lose all their European ties.) Should the FAI take action against Trivela? Punitive action, or force ownership into a blind trust, and make that a condition for any club in a multi-club ownership model going forward?

*Well, it’s the FAI after all so maybe not.

I think it makes more sense to think of it as Drogheda scratching both games. So even if all our other teams lose all their games, Drogheda are still impacting the coefficient by waiving their chance at contributing to it.

Under your way of looking at it, any side that performs under the average (which would have been everyone bar Rovers last year) would have damaged the coefficient

I think the clause you suggest makes sense if it's reciprocal. The FAI also can't do anything that damages the reputation or integrity of the clubs and their competitions.

And joking aside - and without wanting to shift responsibility for this from Trivela - how were they involved in all this? Did nobody push Drogheda? Or was it not until Silkeborg qualified last month that they realised there was a problem?

[outspoken]

Such a corporate press release

[placid casual]

Under your way of looking at it, any side that performs under the average (which would have been everyone bar Rovers last year) would have damaged the coefficient

This forum is all about opinions of course,but I personally don't think Pats were below average in Europe last season,I think they were slightly above par if anything. id say Shels were about par on their exploits last year..we won't talk about the pub team winning in the brandywell..

If shels can avoid the Romanians and Brideblik today they have a good chance of going through.

[ger121]

The pots for today’s draw are out.

Pats will play one of
BFC Daugavpils (LVA)
FCB Magpies (GIB)
NSÍ Runavík (FRO)
FC Hegelmann (LTU)

and Shels will play one of
Fotbal Club FCSB (ROU)
Lincoln Red Imps FC (GIB)
FC Drita (KOS)
Breidablik (ISL)
Linfield FC (NIR)

Good for Pat’s as a seeded side and very good for Shels as the unseeded side if they can avoid Steaua Nua.