If thats what keeps you happy....Originally Posted by patsh
Well done, boy, you just keep on believeing what ever sh*te Noel pumps you full of....
Still doesn't disguise the fact that its Dolan ye're bitter with, not the transfer.
Woah there cowboy....transfer fees are generally lower than they have been at any time in the last 5 years and you reckon Doyle is roughly twice as good as the biggest fee ever paid for an EL player?!
Thats 4 times Darryl Murphy for example?
Doyle was good, but there's a reason nobody has paid that sort of amount to an EL club for anyone.
We all know eL players have never been bought for their true value so 500k is optimistic for Doyle. I think however that Reading would probably have paid €250k easily enough as were tracking him for long time. Without the clause I don't believe City would have sold for less than €250k either.
Reading Chairman paid £1m of his own cash for Lita who in recent matches has been subbed while Doyle stayed on the pitch.
I suppose that with Lita, he had proven himself in League One the previous seasons with Bristol and they pretty well knew what they were paying for.
Eircom League players will always be looked upon as third world by leading English clubs,and £80,000 was probably all they were going to offer for Doyle anyway imo.
Until the EL starts performing well in Europe, or until an EL import really makes an impression (as hopefully Doyle will do) then our players will never command fees that they're truly worth.
With Doyle, and hopefully Daryl Murphy, the Cork Citys of this world will be able to say 'We produce players of the quality of Kevin Doyle, and the next ones gonna cost you a lot more!'...
Besides Doyle, who was the last successful import into the English leagues from the eL?? Wasnt there a whole bunch that got relegated with Calrisle? I'm sure that did the league's profile no good.
The only other palyer i can think of, since Roy Keane, is Richie Foran who seems to be doing alright in Scotland. If that's the case then no wonder English clubs arent prepared to take the risk on eL players...
The only one I can think of off hand is someone called Paul McGrath!! Both he and Roy Keane are perfect precedents for any talent spotters. I think the point here is not about the eL but about individiual talent. Any half decent scout would have known that Doyle was something special. Reading knew they were getting a ridiculous bargain and they were proven correct by Doyles subsequent form and call up to the Irish International squad within 3 months of his transfer. If it wasn't for the trigger in Doyle's clause with Cork City I wonder how much Reading would have paid? A lot more than 76,000 sterling, I would guess. One of the reasons it's hard to find examples of players who've come from the eL and made it big in England is that most of them are snapped up at 15 or 16 and sent on the conveyer belt to liverpool, Spurs, Celtic etc before any eL club has even had a chance to work with them. That needs to change. Hopefully Doyle will serve as an example to other young Irish players that they can progress their careers in Ireland.
Perhaps if the FAI started to take the league and its talent a lot more seriously, instead of making a laughing stock of itself all the time, players profiles might get increased. I personally would love to see a deal with Sky Sports agreeing to show one big EL game a month or something like that. and also for each club to have a 'welfare' officer type figure appointed, who could act as an agent for thew club to make sure they're getting their pound of flesh.
There have been very few big money signings from the eL so have generally gone to lower division teams. If a manager spends a lot of moeny on a player he will usually play him to justify the outlaw.
Reading had clearly marked Doyle as 3rd choiuce striker to start season but Coppell had also talked about changing to 4-3-3 to accomadate him.
Was posted in other thread here that piece in the english Times comparing Doyles fee against some waster Watford bought for 5 times the price. U21 caps & goals are good comparison as UK clusb know that standard.
I don't know what Reading would have paid for Doyle but fully believe CCFC would not have sold for less than eL transfer record if had the choice.
BTW i think eL clubs are producing a better standard of young player in recent years.
Two separate issues joe. Bottom line, we embarassed ourselves by selling a player for peanuts- it was a mistake, we're angry about it, but we'll learn from it, and it won't happen again. As for Dolan- the only thing he has to do with it is the fact that the club his brother is at "somehow" knew the exact amount of clause- too much of a coincidence.If thats what keeps you happy....
Still doesn't disguise the fact that its Dolan ye're bitter with, not the transfer.
If Doyle actually wanted to leave, and I'm presuming now that he did, then whoever it was that was advising him would be letting clubs across the pond know that he was available for a song. The fact that Dolan informaed Eamon(his brother) of this is purely immaterial. If Reading didn't sign him for €117,000 then someone else was going to. Brotherly love et al. You have to admit that there are elements on this form that despise Dolan because of this and see it merely as him getting revenge on the club.
Maybe there was a bit of that, but ultimately the fault lies with Lennox for not contesting this clause when re-negotiating Doyles deal. It now seems apparent that Doyle wanted to go, and that Dolan had the contacts and resources to help him.
I agree with you that ye got screwed, and I genuinely hope that ye do learn a lesson from it, but how many Kevin Doyles are ye going to unearth? Also, the fact that Dolan brought him from Pats, and showed faith in him when nobody else had even heard of him also contributed to Doyle being so close to and respectful of Dolan.
I wouldn't argue with any of that. I was just making the point that the dislike for Dolan is not just because of the Doyle transfer, and the anger about the Doyle transfer is not just because of the Dolan factor.
I think Cork City may unearth a Kevin Doyle every 5-10 years & probably closer to the later.
Any other 'Doyles' in the making? What price would you put for example, on Roy O'Donovan? He has many similar qualities to Doyle, is very young, promising, and has U-21 caps.
I do hope Lennox has a big clause in there for him....
Gent, Reading, sunderland you name it they have got el players dirt cheap no matter what contracts were there or not. That is what the discrace is.....
It's only just begun...............
If the last 21 years were class, here's looking forward to the next 21 years. It is our time
The system doesn't work and we have too many people in the league who benefit from this !!
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
FIFA rules say you have to be registered with your National Association to act as an agent for players & seems few advisors (agent by different name) are held to that rule.
What are the penalties for breaking that rule ??FIFA rules say you have to be registered with your National Association to act as an agent for players & seems few advisors (agent by different name) are held to that rule.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
There are heavy fines for the clubs involved, and the agent would lose his licence. In this case, Doyle didn't have a 'registered agent' and made the move of his own volition following some lengthy 'advice' from a mentor.
Thats what would be the official party line on this one anyway.I seriously doubt if any fees were paid to said 'advisor' in this istance.
How could anyone prove that fees not paid to an "advisor" as the player or club in question could promise him extra cash in another deal down the line or other concessions.
Jebus H .... you are on your own there i'd say fella !!
Are you saying said 'advisor' was in it for the good of his health ??
Joe .... come off the stage .... all windups aside .... you have to be taking the p!ss on this one !!
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
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