Richardson reveals transfer clause

**patsh** · 30/09/2005, 7:58 AM

Originally Posted by tiktok

point though, the main few words above are:
"to a point where he was happy to accept a larger buy-out"

But how do we know that they didn't offer as much as they could?
Or that they could have offered him the world, but he still wouldn't accept it?
I don't accept what Rico says that Doyler had nothing to do with this, I think Doyle was well aware of his options and that the Reading option was in the background for a long time before the actual move. Maybe CCFC were naive, and should have had more control, but there is a lot of sneaky business that went on between people who knew each other very well for a long time.

**joeSoap** · 30/09/2005, 8:35 AM

Originally Posted by patsh

But how do we know that they didn't offer as much as they could?

They offered as much as they had to, as Cork were legally obliged to inform Doyle of any bid that came in for him that exceeded �117,000 under the terms of his contract.

Its called business, which football is to the likes of Reading FC and others, and yes, ye did get screwed. Ye should have looked after him better on re-negotiation, and upped the minimum asking price, as ye were perfectly entitled to do on re-negotiation.

**tiktok** · 30/09/2005, 9:19 AM

Originally Posted by patsh

I don't accept what Rico says that Doyler had nothing to do with this, I think Doyle was well aware of his options.

That's what I was implying Patsh.
Doyle wanted out, the clause meant he went cheaply, but he was going anyway.

**pete** · 30/09/2005, 10:45 AM

I'm disappointed that Rico has choosen to re-ignite this topic now.

I don't think we'll ever know who put the clause in but clearly a number of people employed by the club would have to take blame in any scenario.

I believe theres only 1 way that Eamonn Dolan could have know about the clause in the contract & its possible that the information could be considered confidential information - would be like a sales person moving to new job & telling new employer about customer contracts at old job.

**thejollyrodger** · 30/09/2005, 11:15 AM

I think its a good time to re ignite the topic. Cork really lacked a goal scorer and Doyle would have produced considering the form he is in.

Doyle's value will go to £1million pounds if he plays a few times for Ireland. Cork will recieve nothing and Reading will make a tidy profit.

I think its high time that a well though out contract was put together to elimiate all these problems. A contract template can can be modified to fit different clubs but the underlying agreement being the same.

**patsh** · 30/09/2005, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

They offered as much as they had to, as Cork were legally obliged to inform Doyle of any bid that came in for him that exceeded �117,000 under the terms of his contract.

Its called business, which football is to the likes of Reading FC and others, and yes, ye did get screwed. Ye should have looked after him better on re-negotiation, and upped the minimum asking price, as ye were perfectly entitled to do on re-negotiation.

Been listening to Noel again?
You, and Noelly boy, are missing the point here. City would have had to offer huge terms to Doyle to get him to drop that clause.
1. City simply can't afford that kind of money
2. He had no intention of dropping it, because his "advisors" knew they had a nice juicy deal in the background.

Contracts of payment ar normally very private, but Doyles contract seems to have been an open book to Reading. There is an obvious link there, and only a fool would not believe that that link was the conduit for his move.

Surprised by Rico though, we need to forget about Doyle and take whatever money is coming to us from any follow on clauses.

**joeSoap** · 30/09/2005, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by patsh

City would have had to offer huge terms to Doyle to get him to drop that clause.
1. City simply can't afford that kind of money
2. He had no intention of dropping it, because his "advisors" knew they had a nice juicy deal in the background.

You seem to forget quite conveniently that it was Citys board of directors who approved the clause in the first place. They agreed to it initially being put in the deal. Maybe they didn't rate Doyle that highly at the time of the first contract signing, and now are fuming that 'someone' else did.

City could be sitting pretty now if Lennox took proper advice when handing out contracts.

His 'advisors' have done well by him, which is what they are supposed to do.

**pete** · 30/09/2005, 1:49 PM

If Doyle is sold by Reading Cork City will get % compensation under the new Uefa/Fifa rules the same as St Pats & Adamstown.

**patsh** · 01/10/2005, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

You seem to forget quite conveniently that it was Citys board of directors who approved the clause in the first place. They agreed to it initially being put in the deal. Maybe they didn't rate Doyle that highly at the time of the first contract signing, and now are fuming that 'someone' else did.

City could be sitting pretty now if Lennox took proper advice when handing out contracts.

His 'advisors' have done well by him, which is what they are supposed to do.

City's board of directors knew NOTHING about Kevin Doyle when he came to City, they had to trust the person who brought him to the club. They obviously did listen to advice about him, which was coming from the new manager at the time. They also had to trust the same person to do his job for the club, as he was the new manager. It's oh so convenient for you and your buddy to ignore this fact and try to make out that your buddie's former boss is some sort of angel.

Maybe Lennox should have insisted that no such clause be agreed to, but as he had long discussions with and just employed the new manager, it's not surprising that Lennox felt he should let the manager do his job and let him deal with the players and all to do with them.

And his "advisor" was also an employee of this club, what he is supposed to do is "do well" for those paying his wages.

**Fermoy Blue** · 01/10/2005, 4:00 PM

Interesting that Richardson has resurrected the Doyle saga at this stage.It seems that a lot of the suckers on this post can't see that Dolan plucked Doyle from Pats reserves in the 1st place,built ye a team more than capable of winning league-which Richardson was blessed to inherit..Unfortunately he has never won a league and won't this season either despite having the best players...Seems like an oppertune time for him to raise the anti- Dolan hackles now that City are no longer top of pile!

**patsh** · 02/10/2005, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by Fermoy Blue

.Seems like an oppertune time for him to raise the anti- Dolan hackles now that City are no longer top of pile!

Seems like an opportune time for all the thick WUFC fans to stop using the "Fatrick" "Fatman" "Burger and chips" etc.etc. etc. ad nauseum comments too, doesn't it?

**ccfcman** · 02/10/2005, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

Both sides agree to a contract. Why keep moaning about something that could have been counteracted by Cork City when the contract renewal was on the table.??

Yet you started this thread

**Risteard** · 03/10/2005, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by patsh

City's board of directors knew NOTHING about Kevin Doyle when he came to City.

This is true even though they should still have been vigilant.
People wouldn't be bothered even thinking about it if Brendan Sweeney had a �100,000 get out clause.
Think the original (bad) idea about these clauses is to create an artificially high price. Ronaldinho has something like a �100m get out clause.
They're just a stupid idea though for several reasons.
The club can still decide to sell for less. So the only outcome is that if a player becomes that good, the club can be abused by a bout of opportunism such as Doylers advisers.

**Fermoy Blue** · 04/10/2005, 6:40 PM

As of 21.15 last Friday night all true blues love the bigboned but perfectly formed Pat,will always think Richardson's a loser tho!!

**thejollyrodger** · 04/10/2005, 6:57 PM

Just another example of a navie irish manager

**OneRedArmy** · 05/10/2005, 11:51 PM

Not sure what all the hoopla is about.

a) the Chairman and the Board are ultimately responsible for the financial side of any club
b) how much did you think you'd get for him without the clause? Maybe E200k? Its already one of the highest EL transfer fees as it is. Regardless of what he's valued at now, nobody would have paid 500k never mind a million as an EL player.

EL economics being what they are, I suspect no club is in a position to turn down a six figure transfer fee. Cork may be in a better financial position to most, but it would be hard to turn down such a material amount no matter who its for.

His value has increased because he's proved himself (over 4 weeks) at a higher level. His form at Cork is absolutely immaterial now. His valuation is purely based on his Reading form.

I reckon you got stiffed out of 50 odd grand. Worth all the whining? Probably not to be honest.

**kingcolers** · 06/10/2005, 8:35 AM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Not sure what all the hoopla is about.

a) the Chairman and the Board are ultimately responsible for the financial side of any club
b) how much did you think you'd get for him without the clause? Maybe E200k? Its already one of the highest EL transfer fees as it is. Regardless of what he's valued at now, nobody would have paid 500k never mind a million as an EL player.

EL economics being what they are, I suspect no club is in a position to turn down a six figure transfer fee. Cork may be in a better financial position to most, but it would be hard to turn down such a material amount no matter who its for.

His value has increased because he's proved himself (over 4 weeks) at a higher level. His form at Cork is absolutely immaterial now. His valuation is purely based on his Reading form.

I reckon you got stiffed out of 50 odd grand. Worth all the whining? Probably not to be honest.

I'd have to agree with this gentleman. Doyle may be the exact same player now as he was at City (although he admits himself his confidence is higher) but to the outside world he's not proven until he does his stuff in the big leagues.

**joeSoap** · 06/10/2005, 9:50 AM

Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Not sure what all the hoopla is about.

The 'hoopla' as you put it is not about Kevin Doyle, money, or Reading FC. If Kevin Doyle had used another agent in all of this, then it would have been a case of 'well done Kev', 'Great business for City' etc etc.

Because Pat Dolan was instrumental in all this, they can't accept it, or handle it. Dolans put one over on them (they think) and its left a very bitter taste.

**patsh** · 06/10/2005, 9:53 AM

Originally Posted by joeSoap

The 'hoopla' as you put it is not about Kevin Doyle, money, or Reading FC. If Kevin Doyle had used another agent in all of this, then it would have been a case of 'well done Kev', 'Great business for City' etc etc.

Because Pat Dolan was instrumental in all this, they can't accept it, or handle it. Dolans put one over on them (they think) and its left a very bitter taste.

Well done, boy, you just keep on believeing what ever sh*te Noel pumps you full of....

**JDB** · 06/10/2005, 9:58 AM

Not sure what all the hoopla is about.
b) how much did you think you'd get for him without the clause? Maybe E200k?

It was blatantly obvious from watching Doyle week in week out that he was a special talent. A conservative value would have been 500K [he's already worth twice that now and one of the few if not the only member of Reading's high flying squad on international duty this week]. Any scout worth his salt would have realised his ability. Hopefully Doyle's transfer will help to raise the profile of the eL so that clubs and future talented players will be adequately compensated.