Pineapple Stu...can you tell us what you have based this on?You're looking at it, I would imagine. Our turnover last season was bigger than Harps'. We're not quite as small as everyone makes out to be.
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Cheers for that Stu...but the figure quoted there only represents Harps income for last year, not their turnover.
Forgive my lack of financial knowledge but what's the difference between turnover and income?Originally Posted by The Ball Boy
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
I can only assume that this "White Paper" is supposed to reflect the views of the people who were interviewed? If that is the case isn't it strange that the 10 team Premier division is popular when we just abandonded it last season?
Also interesting that 100% supports summer football with no mention whatsoever of return to winter version.
Another good thing about the report is the focus on the "elite" (in an eL sense) clubs. Too many 1st division clubs (& some Premier) can never asipre to progress so shouldn't be allowed to hold the rest back.
That's all well and good Pete but that depends on what you mean by progress. Too often in this country the only accepted type of ambition is to pay megabucks to players in the hope theat trophies and Europe will earn you enough to pay for it.
In my book real ambition is paying out what you can afford and trying to develop your club on a long term basis. In that regard there are more first division clubs who have their houses in order than premier probably!
And a few clubs can't really progress the league on their own. The report talks a lot about the ptramid structure and rightly so. For the league to be strong it needs all its clubs to be healthy and viable- it's not just about the few at the top it's about everyone from Athlone Town to Cork City.
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Also interesting that 100% supports summer football with no mention whatsoever of return to winter version.
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That'll be because Longford didn't talk to Genesis
[QUOTE=derrymac]But does the club in Longford even want it to go to winter football .... We know Alan Matthews wants it back but he wants alot of things, what do officials at the club think ??
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
There is none.
Unless you want to get really technical and describe profit as income, which isn't the case here obviously.
Alan Matthews spoke to them but they clearly didn't listen to him.
There are a lot of clubs in this league who cannot aspire to fulltime professionalism. They will never attract enough support to compete for Premier division title. Why should we have a lerge Premier division to give them chance of getting promoted & hang onto 10th or 11th place?
There are a lot of leagues in this confederation who cannot aspire to G14 status. They will never attract enough investment to compete for European honours. Why should have a lerge (
A leading authority on League of Ireland football since 2003. You're probably wrong.
No Sheridan,
I agree with Pete. The league should be disbanded and Cork should be declared perpetual champions of Ireland. This would kill two birds with the one stone. It would end any Dublin bias and would prevent small clubs like Bray, UCD and Longford from having the cheek to take points from Cork.
I read the 44 page report in full, you can take off 10 pages for Uefa co-efficents and the like and then another 3 or so for the list of people who participated. All in all abou ta 30 page or less report and it took an entire 4 months to prepare. What did they actually tell us:
Clubs are paying too much for wages and are close to bankrupt - who here did not know that?
Facilities are not very good - again same question as above?
A ten team league is needed - Did they back this view up and explain why?
I think 5 people from this MB could have prepared this report and would have came up with the same idea's and views and would actually understand the issues better. I think it is the FAI's report to say look they say a merger is a good idea too so do it. Not one idea in there backed up by hard facts as to how we will do it. We need more crowds, better grounds, more income, but not one idea or suggestion how these will come about. Anyway putting their faith in this document or the FAI need their heads read.
I think the best suggestion in the report may well be that of dual-registration i.e. players can be registered for an eL club and their local junior club at the same time. This will massively help eL clubs relations with the junior game as it will no longer just be a case of stealing their best players. There should also definately be a National U18 competition started next season. Harps have been forced to enter a team in the Ulster senior league to have an outlet for U18's, which is ridiculous.
I don't see how even the pro summer football people can take that as a positive, given the quality of the report from what I've read so far.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
from the indo..
Clubs must travel uncertain road on way to Utopia
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HOW appropriate that the FAI should once again book a hotel room with a name appropriate to the business of the day.
Monday was D-Day for the Eircom League and the Normandy Room at the Green Isle Hotel made a fitting venue for the presentation of the Genesis White Paper, even if sand was replaced by plush carpet.
For anybody who follows the Eircom League, or is an avid reader of The Bootroom, there was nothing new in the picture painted by Genesis.
Their picture of a footballing Utopia by 2010 was also easy to sketch and, given the unsustainable state the Eircom League is in at present, it's wasn't that difficult to point the way forward and show the clubs how they could easily jump from the red into the black.
Genesis have now concentrated minds and the FAI say there is no going back so the hard work starts now as the steering committee tries to come up with a formula for the future based on the consultants' recommendations. A lot of emphasis is being placed on the merger with the FAI and the implication is that this will be the key that unlocks the golden chest. It's not.
Ten clubs setting up a breakaway league could just as easily create the 2010 vision as long as they had access to proper resources.
The merger means giving the franchise for the country's national soccer league to the FAI. Once it goes through clubs will come under direct rule from Merrion Square.
While that means they can concentrate on running their clubs, leaving the management of the league to professional executives, it also ensures that the FAI will control everything through the participation agreement and possess the power to change the goalposts.
So, if they feel that ten franchises in ten regions is the way to go sometime in the future they will be able to make it happen, just like their counterparts in Australia have successfully done this year.
That's the sword of Damocles hanging over the 22 Eircom League clubs as they await the proposals of the steering implementation committee.
They have only themselves to blame for losing their franchise rights.
They were being put on the same road to Utopia which Genesis are now proposing by former chairman Brendan Dillon, but they failed to save him when he was ruthlessly taken out of the game back in January 2004.
We can take it that the merger won't be the major sticking point in the months ahead now the likes of Dillon are long gone off the scene.
Minds were quickly focused once clubs were informed that their affiliation fees would be around €50,000 each if the FAI were to stop funding the majority of the Eircom League's running costs.
But there is set to be a major battle over the format of the new-look Eircom League which Genesis predict will be 'sexy' and 'cool' by 2010.
Genesis have suggested a ten-team elite division with two ten-team regional leagues.
The eight new teams would be representative sides from areas such as Kerry and Mayo.
While the big clubs are happy with that - even it means that the Dublin sides may have to ground-share - there is a majority who are apprehensive because they can't be sure if they will make the cut come November 2006.
And therein lies the crunch. How do we arrive at an elite ten-team division that contains ten teams distributed evenly across the country to ensure that the new format is a proper national league and not just some glorified Greater Dublin grouping with a few culchies from Derry, Cork and Longford sprinkled in like Parmesan cheese?
There are at least 16 clubs who have realistic ambitions of being in that elite division.
Those who aren't sure if they will make the initial cut are scared they will be consigned to oblivion.Genesis correctly identifies the need for Eircom League clubs to strengthen their links with other strands of football and to be at the top of the football pyramid in their area.
But those pyramids have to be built all over Ireland, not just on the east coast, and that's going to be the biggest problem facing the steering committee when it sits down to decide the shape of the Eircom League from 2010 onwards.
Small is beautiful but national is better.
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independe...issue_id=13055
Actually Stu, Harps ran a profit of 9% last year, so it is applicable.There is none.
Unless you want to get really technical and describe profit as income, which isn't the case here obviously.
Did UCD pull in €400k plus last year? How much of that was direct funding?
In relation to the actual report, I think the dual representation would be a big help to clubs, from my point of view it would definately help relations between junior/intermediate teams & there local senior team.
I think the wage cap is going to be the biggest item on the agenda. Everything else will probably get the nod but im not sure about the wages side of things. Wages are incredibly important though, so many clubs over stretch themselves with payements and its probably the biggest thing threatening the existence of the league.PFAI welcome Genesis report
28/09/2005 - 10:42:11
http://breaking.tcm.ie/2005/09/28/story222857.html
Professional Footballers Association of Ireland chief Fran Gavin has welcomed the new Genesis report into the eircom League but is steadfastly against a salary cap.
The Genesis report recommends a salary cap of 65% of a club’s turnover though this has already brought consternation from several sources who believe it will lead to a culture of ‘under the counter’ payments.
Gavin , too, is against the move insisting: “There are enough restriction on players as it is without restricting their capacity to earn a living. The Irish economy is booming and more growth is predicted and we are the only industry calling for a cap on wages.”
Chippie is dead right. It's a very shoddy report. Much of the background information they base their conclusions on are simply incorrect. They describe the 70s as a heyday for league attendances. The LoI started to die in the late 60s. They make much ado of the fact that Roy Keane was the only player to have played LoI football out of the Saipan squad, but completely ignored the fact that he was one of the minority who had ever lived in Ireland, never mind play here.
Much ado is made of the relative international rankings of the League and the international team without mentioning that these rankings are merging. Our coefficient has increased by about 50% in the last three years. We'd be about 35th over the last two years and 30th or 31st for this year.
That the miserly amount of sponsorship received by the league is largely the responsibility of the FAi is ignored.
It looks like this is the signal to introduce franchise football here. Austria is cited as an example for us – Red Bull Bohemians, anyone? We're also told about the success of the Premiership, despite the fact they are in the third season of attendance decline and a huge debate rages about that competition's long term future.
And the statement that Shamrock Rovers were "forced" to sell Milltown is frankly laughable.
One could go on and on. This is Delaney's opportunity to completely marginalise the league.
That Indo article is a heap of scaremongering. The sword of Damocles my ar$e! I don't know how merging the leage with the FAI leads directly to the FAI controlling the clubs. I totally agree that creating proper links with junior clubs is the way forward, a situation needs to be created where the top players are automatically funnelled into the local league team.
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