The language is taught entirely wrong in schools. Instead of learning prose, poetry and books by wrote, why not concentrate more on verbal and everyday communication rather than Peig ****ing Sayers.Originally Posted by A face
Common sense, but then again since when has FF ever been associated with it.
We are way behind our fellow Europeans in terms of language ability and in this aspect our educational system is failing us, but that is for another day.
Sorry lads, but eh, what does this have to do with so-called "trouble" at a NL game?
It's mad that a LOI game is commentated on, in a language only a tiny minority of us can fully understand. Only in Ireland, as they say...
What next, LOI commentaries in Latin?????
Mypost, judging from some of the posts on the Rovers MB, there's no need for those inverted commas. Between that, the carry-on after the Shels match and Roddy's ongoing sniping at the board, it looks like there's an imploding sense of unity at Rovers.
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Rovers followers were indeed at it again, judging by accounts of people who were there....
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Well, good to see we're back on-topic.Rovers followers were indeed at it again, judging by accounts of people who were there....
I don't consider Rovers fans fighting amongst themselves to be crowd trouble. As usual, fans of other clubs with anti-Rovers agendas, appear to have over-hyped the "incident" again.
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It was nothing but a bunch of Drunks looking for a fight.
After the game outside the Brandywell the same idiots were still fighting amongst themselve's.
The sensationalist 'Derry News' has a front page headline today 'Brandywell Battle' with a big picture, yet on the sports page they say that Derry had a 2-1 victory
Lazy journalism at it's best, cnuts didn't even send someone to the match, must have watched it on TV and couldn't speak Irish, so he made up a few stories instead
The only people that the Rovers fans are really letting down are themselves.All this does is add fuel to fire that is the Rovers fans image and it's up to themselves to sort it out.
As regards the Irish language,it's a national disgrace that it's not more widely spoken.It's our national language FFS.I do think it will make a comeback with the ever increasing popularity of TG4 and through the Gaelscoils that are springing up all over the country.The Irish language is something we should be proud of and be able to inentify ourselves with because with our nation becoming more multicultural by the day a lot of the Irish ways may become a thing of the past.
We should also be teaching our kids other languages aswell as we are miles behind our european friends and it's time to catch up.
"At the age of twelve, my ambition was to become a gangster. To be a wiseguy was better than being President of the United States. To be a wiseguy was to own the world." - Henry Hill
there really wasnt a lot to it, not even in the handbags column. two drunks got pulled apart by rovers fans and the stewards initially went in hard and fast on the peacemakers. the more senior stewards/rovers security arrived and calmed it down. a couple of derry stewards were escorted away before they made it worse.
the point wiseguy is that we did sort it out and the stewards came flying in anyway.
Agree, and the thick untsc causing the trouble are only costing their fellow supporters money via the 400 club.
On the language, I'm not anti it being compulsory but do have reservations about it counting towards university points. As someone who struggled with languages, despite being quite interested in them, I'm not sure it's fair that it can be so influential in deciding course and then career when it isn't required in that subject. For example, is it fair that someone doesn't get into medicine because they're not that good at languages?
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
It's even madder that a group of people can exhibit such antipathy and antagonism towards their own language/history/culture. That is indeed the type of thing that could only happen in Ireland......It's mad that a LOI game is commentated on, in a language only a tiny minority of us can fully understand. Only in Ireland, as they say...
What next, LOI commentaries in Latin?????
Any other country would have made a proper effort at revitalising Europe's oldest continuous written language 80+ years after they gained their independenace. Instead, we get a typical half-arsed botched effort and lots of bluff disguised as an official language revival, and then blame the language itself.
The Israeli's could take Hebrew - a language that hadn't been used in speech for 2,000 years outside of religious ceremonies - and make it the living language of millions within a couple of decades. The Welsh didn't even need their independence to put their language back on such a strong footing that a recent Economist article commented that the language there is in a real ascendancy, and that having Welsh is a significant contributor to your employment standing.
The irony is that I'm convinced that the Irish language would have been more secure now if the Republic was still under British rule (just like happened with Welsh).
Interesting view.
Given your view that what happened on Saturday was "not even in the handbags column", what exactly would you define handbags as?
And the general feeling on your forum is that our stewards did a reasonable job of calming it down. The main mistake they made in my view is that they let these guys into the ground in the first place.
But then again, its always somebody elses fault.......
Thats fair enough but some of your own fans should have given them a kick in the hole and tell them to cop themselves on.It's like they say "there's always one"
"At the age of twelve, my ambition was to become a gangster. To be a wiseguy was better than being President of the United States. To be a wiseguy was to own the world." - Henry Hill
Wouldn't have thought it that surprising that when a language is seen as a way of rebellion and a way of showing your independance that it is stronger. No doubt that's part of what's driving the Welsh language revival.
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
This, I believe, is true, although I don't want that excuse to deflect away from the core issue: there was a considerable number of intensly drunk people at the game who had reached such a state that they were literally incapable of seeing the match in front of them. One individual stumbled down three rows of seats next to me. These idiots were always going to cause some level of trouble, it was just a question of when, and who would be on the recieving end - stewards, Derry fans or the rest of the Rovers support. I'm all for having afew pints before the game, and there's nothing wrong with being slightly under the influence going into the ground, but surely there must be some cut-off point, and way too many people crossed that point before last Saturday's game.
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agreed and that was precisely what happened, hence the 'fighting amongst ourselves' byline.
it was the initial intervention by the stewards that exacerbated the situation (leaning in across the hoardings pointing the finger etc), calmer heads arrived and the situation diffused itself.
again, no injuries, no arrests, just drunken fools.
its not a dying language at all.of the 3000 or so languages still in use, many are dying- mostly tribal languages in africa. most minority languaes will die out, but irish is strongly placed to survive over the next 100 years
the main problem was "how" irish was taught for years. today i think theres an improvement in that regard. one example is that 200 schools have recently taken ros na rún onto the curriculum and teaching irish trough that tv programme.ireland on sunday had an article on it, it gets 300,000 viewers now, as opposed to 14000 when it started.and the wybe network, which reached 2.9 million viewers, in philadelphia have bought the rights to it. its a big improvement on the old peig sayers etc courses
surprised no one has mentioned this before but, look at the differnce in how french/german/spanish is taught in secondary school, compared to how irish is taught. irish is taught along the same lines as english-poems novels etc.to improve the irish course the subject should be taught like the european languages
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What the fcuk has all this got to do with the title of the thread???
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so ****ing what. its an interesting debate.Modorators please take note...
What the fcuk has all this got to do with the title of the thread???
do you be sitting in the pub and when conversation changes from one subject to another start giving out about straying off-topic??i doubt it. complaining about this on-line is just pedantic
You learn conversational and basic Grammer in primary school and then its poetry, reading and writing Irish in secondary!! (Well thats how it was planned)
I loved Irish in school and still love it now! At the end of the day I think its was the teachers that were the problem moreso than the subject.. if a nice and good teacher was teaching you you'd prob love Irish like with other subjects..
I live in Galway city and still speak Irish every day in work and at home, even if it is just a cupla focail here and there.
It is far from a dead language, it seems to be getting stronger and more popular every day as Gaelscoil's and Irish speaking bars and resturants are popping up all over the place (well in Galway city they are)
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Eh, that's why we have a few different threads ongoing at the same time. The whole point being that you read and reply to the threads whos titles draw your interest - kind of pointess if it bears no relation whatsoever to what's actually being discussed in it. There's no way Ste would tolerate this over on the Rovers MB.
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