QuoteIf the cork v Celtic rumours are true maybe that's how non Dublin clubs make their big pay day although id imagine the fees for bringing say man united to the Aviva would take a huge chunk from your profitOriginally Posted by nr637
Heard or read a piece pre-season that Cork City were looking into the possibilities of arranging a league fixture in Pairc Ui Chaoimh as part of their ideas for fund raising!
If the cork v Celtic rumours are true maybe that's how non Dublin clubs make their big pay day although id imagine the fees for bringing say man united to the Aviva would take a huge chunk from your profit
I think the crux of your argument though is that neutrals (or at least a certain cohort of them) are only going to the cup final because it's their only opportunity to see LoI teams in the Aviva. I don't believe that. The cup final attendances have always been better attended than league games even before they were in the Aviva. Neutrals enjoy the cup final because there is silverware at stake. I think further league games would be at risk of cannibalizing themselves if they because regularly played at the Aviva but cup final attendances would remain pretty good (participants depending e.g. if you got a UCD vs Wexford final it probably would be poorly attended but not necessarily because of neutrals).
Makes sense for any club near a big stadium to utilise an opportunity. Treaty have Thomond Park on their doorstep. John Delaney previously scuppered an opportunity for Limerick FC.
Cork and Treaty could work together for a 4 team tournament where they would take on two European giants without taking on each other.
I think so but open to being proven incorrect. I think one off games will attract a buzz.
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A Championship: 4 years - 8 first teams - 0 financially ruined. First Division '14: 7 first teams.
Opportunity lost for new clubs/regions to join the LoI family.
[QUOTE=legendz;2216031]Makes sense for any club near a big stadium to utilise an opportunity. Treaty have Thomond Park on their doorstep. John Delaney previously scuppered an opportunity for Limerick FC.
Cork and Treaty could work together for a 4 team tournament where they would take on two European giants without taking on each other.
Hard to make it pay - elite clubs can get fees in the 7 figures in other countries. The next level down would still be looking for significant 6 figure sums (thats your Premier League excluding L, MU, MC, CH, A, T).
You seem fixated on town or city populations as a basis for club growth etc.
But if a town of 25k has no interest in the game, then it may not ever support (literally and figuratively) a successful professional club, at least in the short-to-mid term. While much smaller places like Sligo and Ballybofey can.
And to take two examples of the latter from further afield, Burnley is a town of 100k people, close to many bigger, sometimes massive clubs, yet it can generate regular crowds of 20k+ to sustain a club in the top two tiers of the most competitive league(s) in Europe. Ditto Villareal, attracting regular crowds of 25k in a town of 50k, while reaching a CL semi-final and winning the EL (twice?).
While this talk of 10 clubs drawing regular 10k crowds also misses the point that well-run clubs attracting regular 5k crowds can still sustain f-t football, while 2.5k should be enough for p-t football.
I understand the excitement of new season, Shams in Europe and 35k in the AVIVA etc, and it's definitely a fantastic start with plenty to build on. But ROI football shouldn't lose sight of the essentials, namely that you build the game via existing clubs which show potential and ambition etc, one step at a time, and from the centre outwards.
Rather than forever looking to regions/counties/towns/provinces etc which have never had much interest in football, planting your magic beans there and hoping they'll grow overnight.
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You seem fixated on looking to argue against whatever I say - no matter how irrelevant to the point I made.
Why have you dragged this onto your usual hobby horse of lecturing everyone about where clubs should or shouldn't expand? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You have completely mis-read my post, which made no mention of new clubs etc (& instead listed places where we have existing clubs). The point is that the populations in the places where we have EXISTING, long-established LOI clubs are just far too small to enable the EXISTING teams there to attract average crowds of over 10,000. Start and end of it.
That is the point. Not wangin on about 'magic beans' etc
Last edited by EatYerGreens; 18/02/2025 at 4:34 PM.
Don't be so precious, it's a debating forum.
This thread is about Attendances. And you made your usual simplistic reference to populations: "We just dontl have either the population in total or the population centres/concentrations" [to attract 10k crowds across the board etc].Why have you dragged this onto your usual hobby horse of lecturing everyone about where clubs should or shouldn't expand? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You have completely mis-read my post, which made no mention of new clubs etc (& instead listed places where we have existing clubs). The point is that the populations in the places where we have EXISTING, long-established LOI clubs are just far too small to enable the EXISTING teams there to attract average crowds of over 10,000. Start and end of it.
That is the point. Not wangin on about 'magic beans' etc
My point is that such a correlation is misleading, since a large population doesn't guarantee a large support, nor a small population a small one. Which the present LOI (and leagues elsewhere) bears out amply.
As for existing clubs, there is no good reason why several shouldn't be aspiring towards* 10k averages in time, in Dublin at least. You know, harnessing some of the enthusiasm of the 35k in the Aviva the other day.
* - I say "towards", since only you mentioned "average crowds of over 10,000"
Celtic at Paric Ui Chaoimh in July.
LOI Talk can exclusively report that Cork City are set to play a friendly against Scottish Premiership leaders Celtic at Páirc Uí Chaoimh, the home of Cork GAA.
Be interested to see how much that’d make Cork once you take out the cost of the rental of Pairc Ui Chaoimh and the fee to get Celtic (first team) over. Celtic played a Premier League side in Wolves at the Aviva in 2023 and it only drew a crowd of 28k. Wolves obviously aren’t a big draw but judging by that crowd Celtic don’t seem to be as big a draw as they were in years gone by so I wouldn’t be anticipating anything close to PUC's 45k capacity
Paaatrick's Agletic
Be very interestingly to know when this game is on, as Celtic have a champions league qualifier to play this summer and are going on a tour to America.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is Celtic B team that play in lower scotish leagues, that plays Cork
There's no way they've booked PUC for a Celtic B team
I think a season opener at the Aviva (like last Sunday) is the way to go. How many fans would a St Pats v Shels game attract? - or should it always be Bohs v Rovers?
Booked it for Celtic. Celtic are under no obligation to send the starting 11
Considering they will be in America for a few weeks pre season and a champions league qualifier to play in pre season, I cannot see anything other than a bunch of kids and 1 or 2 lads coming back from injury
I know a while back we played Celtic in preseason maybe a decade ago they only sent a reserve team to Longford ! But in the mid 80s when we played them they had a full first team! Such a difference!
Gary Cronin is he the right man to manage Longford Town?
I'd be very surprised if it didn't come up during negotiations. These clubs have a few teams they could send for different fees, Celtic Legends, Celtic XI, Celtic B, Celtic.
I think we're at the stage where "Whatever" is the only appropriate response to your approach of dragging multiple discussions down a dark alley to give them a beating by tedium
So yeah. Whatever
Will be interesting to see what the ticket prices for this are, and what the appetite of the Irish public is for it.
Are Celtic still a box-office draw here? I can't recall when the games were, and I could be wrong, bit from memory the last few times they played here seemed to a bit of a damp squib really? I'm not sure that whether they bring a full team or not would even be the deciding factor in it being a success. So will be interesting to see how it goes.
I'd be very surprised if it could draw over 30,000. But then, that's also what people thought about Bohs-Rovers when announced. So there's probably only one way to find out!
30k when they played Wolves in Lansdowne a couple of years ago.
I do feel like it's their support is dying out a little bit over here, as is appetite for friendlies against them.
Maybe it's still worth a punt for Cork?
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