As for fchammer calling the lads behind the goals in the Shed "fair weather fans" this might look pretty in a post but I think you need a reality check if you actually believe it[/QUOTE]
how many of these (fair weather) fans will be at the next home game if the
blues loose at the weekend..it will be back to the same ol 50/100 fans for the rest of the home games.
ah jesus
Originally Posted by fc hammer
Do you really have to ask? there the same fans who were in the pike, the same fans in De Jacks they are the hardcore of the club so when you say it'll be back to the same 50/100 guess what its them, the same ones not just making bad/good noise or whatever, but making all the noise. And how do you know there going to lose in Monaghan, im going to be there again as im a supporter home or away are you going to be there? why not show how blue you are and sell some tickets for the club in two weeks time instead of moaning about the fans. Give a hand! oh one thing is that "hammer" meaning The hammers as in west ham or MC Hammer as in Hammertime! oh oh oh...doo doo, cant touch this!
Last edited by gael353; 27/09/2005 at 2:41 PM.
My natural reaction to your Robbie assesment is to slate it completely. However on friday night I felt Robbie did in fact look a bit reserved. In saying this though I am in no way criticising Robbie.Fair enough on the Cork thing - must be just a coincidence that the players getting most stick this season are O'Brien, Nolan and Wolfe.
Why is it sad to criticise Robbie. He hasn't scored since May. Mr Hide can see my point on Robbie - I am not saying he should be dropped - he is first choice striker in my books but he is not conributing as much as he should be and not only is he not scoring he is not creating enough chances - that is because he is playing too deep. I don't think its sad to say this - whatever happened to nobody being above criticism?
Deise - relax. Of course the same fans chant their support (as I do) but I was pointing out that just because those fans were heard does not mean that they are representative of all fans. The most vocal fans are not even the majority. I join in those chants - but I would not join in the chants aimed at Nolan last Friday. It would be easy for someone elsewhere in the ground to think that 'Limerick fans' were effectively booing Nolan and NOC. It would be more accurate to say 'some Limerick fans' were doing it - and a lot of those fans have been very vocal (IMO over the top at times) in their criticism this season.
At times when the ickle Cobh keeper had the ball at his feet I expected the onlooking Robbie K to bolt towards the keeper as he usually does and force him into an error on which we could create a chance, which is what usually happens. However on friday he took a bit of convincing, and I don't blame him one bit.
Week after week under the system, or lack there of, that LimerickFC are being forced to play, Robbie has covered every inch of every pitch he has played on this season. He has been back defending, creating his own opportunities, (at times it looks like he manages to pass through-balls to himself), forcing players into mistakes and capitalising on them, running past the opposition when he should be flat out on the floor and he's managed to score a few vital goals aswell.
The way the TEAM played on friday night made Robbie redundant. Had he been biting at the heels of the opposition, speeding from one end of the pitch to the other, he would have done so for nothing. So many times on friday night there was complete lack of movement going forward. There seemed to be an acceptance that this was soley the responsibility of Robbie K and that no-one else need bother. He has had way too much asked of him every game this season and in my opinion, its a miracle he's still able to play at all. The Nolans of this world would be sidelined with "tiredness".
I really think it should not be underestimated how bad a match that was. We were destroyed, absolutely destroyed by a really poor football team. Had Cobh any players of class at all we would still be in Hogan Park trying to figure out the score.
As for the chanting, if you took those who you are critising away from Hogan Park it would be an extremely quiet football ground apart from the odd "F**K sake ref". Granted some of it may have been misdirected, after all Nolan doesn't pick the team. In fairness though this was no regular run of the mill match, we were awfull.
This is where we disagree I think. If McGrath and Barrett get on theball what they want to do is play it forward for a striker to run at or they want a bit of space to take it on themselves. On Friday (and it happens other weeks too) they look up and RK is standing next to them. It is easy for defenders to push out - it reduces the space they need to cover. RK covers a shed load of ground - more than he has to. It's a chicken and egg situation I suppose. RK drops back because he is not getting ball - he doesn't get ball (or is ineffective) if he drops back.
A solution woul dbe effective wide men who could pull defenders out of position and make space. They could also keep centre halves pinned back if they were beating full backs and getting crosses in. They would also be an outlet for balls from midfield. RK should be told to stop covering as much ground as he is. It is not doing him or the team any favours. He needs to push on where he can do some damage. If he is not getting service it is not his job to go and get the ball.
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
I hardly think its Robbie's fault if he's the one that has to go backwards to get possesion back for the team. I was going to say if he doesn't who will, rather it should be when he doesn't who does?? We have no options out wide because NOC puts the wrong players out there so the central midfield players are under huge pressure to provide RK and Nolan. When they cant the front players drop back. IMO we need a player up front who can link the midfield play with Robbie. Someone with a bit of skill and not shy of scoring either. Wait a minute we one of them there not so long ago!! Its not really worked since he left has it? We have no link there whatsoever now and as a result our ideas have become stale and repeatitive... if i see another lame chip over the top for Robbie to chase I'll explode.This is where we disagree I think. If McGrath and Barrett get on theball what they want to do is play it forward for a striker to run at or they want a bit of space to take it on themselves. On Friday (and it happens other weeks too) they look up and RK is standing next to them. It is easy for defenders to push out - it reduces the space they need to cover. RK covers a shed load of ground - more than he has to. It's a chicken and egg situation I suppose. RK drops back because he is not getting ball - he doesn't get ball (or is ineffective) if he drops back.
A solution woul dbe effective wide men who could pull defenders out of position and make space. They could also keep centre halves pinned back if they were beating full backs and getting crosses in. They would also be an outlet for balls from midfield. RK should be told to stop covering as much ground as he is. It is not doing him or the team any favours. He needs to push on where he can do some damage. If he is not getting service it is not his job to go and get the ball.
sorry been away from the Net for the last few days hiding in a room, banging my head off a wall in the hopes I'll forget every aspect of the Limerick-Cobh game, sadly it hasn't worked. On the pitch Limerick were an absolute disgrace last Friday, none more so than Jamie Nolan, and off the pitch, well we'll get to that in a sec. How many more times it has to be said that Noel is just not cometant enough to be the Limerick FC manager I don't know, but surely even Danny is starting to wake up to that now. A lot of fans say he has no plan B when things go wrong, but if you look at it he doesn't even have a Plan A to begin with. His tactics begin and end with hoofing the ball in the air and hoping you get a lucky break, or an opponants player messes up. He needs to go NOW!
I'll hold my hand up as one of the Cheerio Chanters from Friday night (shock of the season I know), but all I have to to say to LFC In Exile and samuel and whoever else is just stop being so chlidish about the matter. We're paying customers, we're entitled to give whatever verdict we want to a team whos wages we're paying, and we're entitled to give it in anyway we want. This whole 'You have to support your team no matter what' theory is just plain bull**** that people try to use toover big mother ****ing Noel O'Connor made cracks with. Nolan is a time waster, and a mediocre footballer, Noel shouldn't be picking him but he is, so when Nolan doesn't sem to give a crap about Limerick FC on the pitch, why then do we have to pat him on the back just for pulling on the jersey? The man clearly doesn't give a toss about playing for Limerick, so I turn don't give a toss about him, or his precious feelings (he should be old enough to take a bit of abuse aswell, this isn't the u-12s we're talking about here).
Bottom line is the performance on Friday night deserved evey boo, every cheerio, and every shake of the keys it got, and if it wasn't for the 'fairweather' fans singing at games then the whole ground would be totally silent at every match cause they're the ones that get EVERY, SINGLE chant going!! I thought FC Hammer was just another Danny Drew sign-on name anyway? Ah I lose track of Danny and his crazy shenanigans on a weekly basis anyway!
1. Jamie Nolan is a mediocre footballer. He is lazy and puts in minimal effort. This is why he is being criticised. Not 'cos he's from Cork
2. Having a go at Robbie Kelliher and at the same time defending Mr. Mediocre above doesn't make sense. If Robbie having to drop deep is a tactical issue, which it is, it isn't Robbie that people should be having a go at. We do have a manager, Noel O'Connor is his name.
3. Having a go at football fans for chanting is a bit sad as well. In every football club in the world, if a player plays s**t and lacks effort, he gets abuse. Why should it be any different at Limerick?
4. I think NOC must view this Limerick squad as one giant carcass, 'cos I've never seen a manager butcher a squad so much in my life......wait a minute, our manager is a butcherChrist, it was right in front of us all the time.....
Just wondering when are the chants for NOC's head going to start then, he is the root of our on-field problems after all? He's the one constantly picking poor performers. He's the one playing players out of position. He is the one who doesn't know the difference between a tictac and a tactic. Because I honestly cannot see myself going to Hogan Park next season if this connoisseur of puke football is in charge again. Entertainment value = 0, and that's being kind
Do you really have to ask? there the same fans who were in the pike, the same fans in De Jacks they are the hardcore of the club so when you say it'll be back to the same 50/100 guess what its them, the same ones not just making bad/good noise or whatever, but making all the noise. And how do you know there going to lose in Monaghan, im going to be there again as im a supporter home or away are you going to be there? why not show how blue you are and sell some tickets for the club in two weeks time instead of moaning about the fans. Give a hand! oh one thing is that "hammer" meaning The hammers as in west ham or MC Hammer as in Hammertime! oh oh oh...doo doo, cant touch this!
Gail your very bad today is it your time of the month! i never said they'r going to loose in managhan i said if they loose! fair play to you for going to managhan!maybe you can bring a box of oranges up with you i heard you'r very good with fruit & veg or maybe donate a box of dunnes stores fruit & veg for the half time draw at the athlone game!!!!!you never know you might get supporter of the season and get a rubber medal the same size as a dustbin lid!!!!!!!!!!!
circles round going in here we are
you gowl!
4tothefloor:
Once again a post of genius!!!
Nearly fell off my chair!
"Anyone who's Soapy should be flushed and anyone who's a Deserter should be shot."
- John Purcell (Limerick FC Commercial Manager), February 2004
I nearly fell off my chair too - but probably for different reasons than Deise.1. Jamie Nolan is a mediocre footballer. He is lazy and puts in minimal effort. This is why he is being criticised. Not 'cos he's from Cork
2. Having a go at Robbie Kelliher and at the same time defending Mr. Mediocre above doesn't make sense. If Robbie having to drop deep is a tactical issue, which it is, it isn't Robbie that people should be having a go at. We do have a manager, Noel O'Connor is his name.
3. Having a go at football fans for chanting is a bit sad as well. In every football club in the world, if a player plays s**t and lacks effort, he gets abuse. Why should it be any different at Limerick?
I don't mind arguing about this stuff - I enjoy it - but don't put words in my posts that aren't there. I am having a slight go at Robbie - but in each post I have also said that it is up to the manager to direct him not to drop deep. He is a game lad who wants the ball but he has to temper this enthusiasm for the benefit of the team. Of course it is up to the manager to fix it - I don't know how to make myself clearer. It is amazing though how one player can be lionosed so much when he is a striker and hasn't scored since May. I guess fans have favourites and loathe any one criticise those favourites.
I don't agree that Nolan is a mediocre player. I agree that he doesn't put in anywhere near as much effort as Robbie.
With regards to "if a player plays s**t and lacks effort, he gets abuse" - why was Nolan the only one singled out. Why wasn't Molan given the same treatment when he was substituted? I thought he was sh1t on Friday too - and wasn't particularly killing himself. In fact RK and Mooney were the only ones who could be happy with their performances (with the exception of my RK issue).
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
I don't know what the last bit means but you're probably just incoherent with rage.Yes, you are entitled to give whatever verdict you want. It still doesn't affect my point that the most vocal ones are not the majority and I want any club management or players who read this forum to realise that the view expressed in the chanting is not the view of all of the fans in the SC or in the shed. Of course you don't have to support no matter what - who ever said that? But maybe we just have different time horizons as fans and maybe I find it hard to get as exercised about dreadful performances like that when I have had to live through many seasons of them.
I thought you would have been happy myself - didn't you want the team to implode anyway?
Where did any one say you should pat him on the back? Not everything is black and white. He was being substituted - what was gained by shouting cheerio at him?
"It's impossible to make a man understand something when his livelihood depends on him not understanding" Upton Sinclair
Ive never hidden who i am so fair play for to you for giving free advertising to where i workFirst up thank you for your enlightened response and ill ask the moderator not to delete it (for having a PA on me) as I believe that leaving it there will highlight its stupidity. To try and…I dunno embarrace? Someone because of the employment they have and by the way I do believe emplyment is an economic nessisity in these times is just petty! I could slag SLK for having a job that is far better then mine, Nempton for landing a great job, 4tothefloor for running his own business or Danny for running his, or even LFC in Exile and Deise for educating those damn students! But I wont, ill congradulate every one of them for being a productive part in our society all be it a capitlaist one! But wait lets look back. I asked you to help out by selling tickets ie helping the club. And you retort by attacking me for sugguesting that? But who are you really atttacking? Me, for suggeting that or the club as they will be the one who suffer as they will be one less in the “help” stakes.
Im not in the business of being the best supporter, that doesn’t bother me and if I had my vote it would be for the old man who walks around and hasn’t missed a game since 1945 or something. But the SC is a democracy and its members will have there say in the coming weeks on whoever they want as their choice as supporter of the year, chairman, Pro etc. BTW where I work and where JohnD works are actually the unofficail offices for the SC as most of all our information and meetings go on in these two places.
Anyway look i wasn't going to respond to this as one of the lads said its going in circles so just abuse me up at the games instead ok or maybe in work
Last edited by gael353; 28/09/2005 at 3:20 PM.
calm down gale.. you are well able to give it, but you cant take it.. Lets keep to matters football from now on!!!!
Your the child who brought up so called "fair weather fans" displaying your ignorance and peoples places of work. So would it not be a lot easier for you to just apologise and move on than put up a pointless, give it, take it nah nah na nah post like the one above.
Now can we all talk about football from now on
of course theres fair weather fans there. theres fair weather fans in every sport.it only stands to reason you'll have more fans supporting the team when there win'n than when there loose'n.you must be blind if you cant see the drop in the attendances in the last 3/4 home games.Your the child who brought up so called "fair weather fans" displaying your ignorance and peoples places of work. So would it not be a lot easier for you to just apologise and move on than put up a pointless, give it, take it nah nah na nah post like the one above.
Now can we all talk about football from now on
Indeed there has been a drop but myself and the "sunshine support" behind the goals remain as we have for the past number of years
BTW are you coming to Monaghan tomorrow I'm sure we could find room for you on our evil, SC, fair weather bandwagon if you wanna jump on.
Anyway to go wildly off topic and actually discuss some football I think we are going to win tomorrow night and indeed next week there by keeping alive our false hopes (football is a cruel mistress)
Indeed there has been a drop but myself and the "sunshine support" behind the goals remain as we have for the past number of years
BTW are you coming to Monaghan tomorrow I'm sure we could find room for you on our evil, SC, fair weather bandwagon if you wanna jump on.
Anyway to go wildly off topic and actually discuss some football I think we are going to win tomorrow night and indeed next week there by keeping alive our false hopes (football is a cruel mistress)
No thanks boss.never had to jump on any bandwagon!!i'v been there through thick and thin..
Apologise for any grammer mistakes, i.e. toover,in my las post,I blame it all on an unreliable keyboard,and my inability to read any of my own posts before putting them up for publicc consumption (toover was meant to read to cover by the by).
PS: Nolan still deserved the cheerio chants,which were a way of telling him that he is not appreciated by anyone other than the 'wow he scored two penalties in a row a few games back, so he's a great striker' brigade
I think Nolan was singled out because it was the culmination of months of annoyance with his lack of effort, not just the Cobh game. He has been consistantly poor since day one, bar a few decent goals. Molan is an established player at Limerick at this stage and I for one have seen him put in some great performances over the years, especially under Kerley. If he has one bad game, where he was being played out of position, it doesn't warrant chanting cheerio at him. For someone like Nolan who is always in the team, but never performs, I think he had it coming. His form this year is mediocre, and as this is the only season I've seen him play, to me he is a mediocre player. As I said earlier, it would be great if Nolan went out and proved his critics wrong and started to deliver after what happened, but something tells me that will not happen.why was Nolan the only one singled out. Why wasn't Molan given the same treatment when he was substituted? I thought he was sh1t on Friday too - and wasn't particularly killing himself. In fact RK and Mooney were the only ones who could be happy with their performances (with the exception of my RK issue).
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